When is a Low LSAT Score Too Low?

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My most-read blog topics are those dealing with very low LSAT scores; there are a lot of you out there. So, what constitutes a “low” LSAT score? The LSAT is scored from 120-180, and an average score is about 150.

Low: 120-147

Mid-Range: 148-158

High: 159-163

Exceptional: 164-180


If you’re score is 150 or above, it’s not a particularly low score, depending on which law school you want to attend. Let’s aim this conversation at those of you below a 147 LSAT. In general, if you are in the mid-140’s or above, I have had success helping applicants fulfill their law school admission goals.

What a Low LSAT Score Means

I get a lot of calls from people with scores lower than 147. There are certain people whose chances will not be helped even with advice from a law school admission consultant. We are not, after all, miracle workers. If your LSAT score is in the 130s or low 140s, it’s very hard to find an ABA law school anywhere in the US that will offer you unrestricted acceptance (especially in the increasingly competitive environment).

Conditional Acceptance Programs

It may be possible to gain acceptance to a conditional program at an ABA law school (especially with scores in the low to mid 140s) but even that has its problems. You may get yourself into Appalachia or somewhere to try the conditional course, and then they may only offer acceptance to 2 of the 100 participants. The problem is that once you are unsuccessful in gaining acceptance through a conditional admission program, other law schools will be hard pressed to find a reason to give you a chance at their own school, even with a slightly improved LSAT score.

Re-Taking the LSAT

If you haven’t exhausted your opportunities to take the LSAT, then take it again. However, you must prepare differently than you did before. And don’t rush the process; it’s too late for October. Wait until December. Make improving your score your focus; without it, the world’s best personal statement, most impressive resume, and illuminating letters of recommendation won’t make a bit of difference.

Those of you who know me know that I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I will always give my honest opinion.

If you’re concerned about your Low LSAT or Low GPA, you can contact me to schedule a consultation where we can discuss your options.

820 thoughts on “When is a Low LSAT Score Too Low?

  1. Marshall on said:

    Hello Mrs. Levine, I have a question about prospective schools. I took the LSAT 3 times and my highest score was a measly 153 with a 2.83 Undergrad GPA. I’m unfortunately forced to stay in Washington DC because I have a family.

    I know that I can’t realistically get into any T14 or Tier 1 school without curing cancer, so what schools should I apply to in the MD/DC/VA area? App fees are too expensive to give $80 or so to a school if I stand little chance of acceptance. Thank you for this blog.

    Martin

  2. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Hi Marshall,
    As your law school admission consultant, I can help you come up with a schools list and to make sure your materials are as strong as possible. If you are interested in these services, please take a look at my web site -www.lawschoolexpert.com

    Happy New Year.

  3. Erika asked me this question:

    Can you please give me some insight. I took the LSAT twice over 2 years ago and received a 145 both times. I did not try nearly as hard and have now decided it was a huge mistake. I did however apply to some schools with this score. As you can guess I was denied. I am looking to take the test again and put everything into it. Does it look awful if I take the test again? And do I have a chance??

    Thank you very much for your opinion.

    Erika – yes, if you take the test again and redeem yourself, you will have a shot at law school. Most law schools keep old applications on file for just two years, so by the time you would apply they probably would not see your application materials even if they would see the scores. You would probably need an LSAT addendum to explain the increase, but the facts you’re presenting – by themselves – don’t scare me. (Of course, this depends upon the schools you plan to apply to but if your schools list is reasonable given your credentials then I don’t count you out.)

  4. Danielle on said:

    Hi There,

    I took the LSAT twice and received a 143 the first time and a 147 the second. My undergrad GPA is a 3.2. I have applied to some law schools and am just wondering if there is a realistic chance of acceptance. Any feedback will help.

    Thanks,
    Danielle

    • Danielle, That’s a very open-ended question and you won’t get any predictions out of me : )
      I have no idea where you applied. You’re just going to have to sit back and wait. But if the school’s 25th percentile is a 147 then you might have a shot if your application is strong. We’ll have to see what happens and then you can perhaps apply to different schools next year and/or retake the LSAT. But your 4 point jump is great – congratulations!

  5. hello, i had a few questions regarding the lsat.
    i recieved a 139 on first lsat and a 142 on second lsat, clearly i must do higher.
    do i have a shoot of getting into thomas jefferson school of law? they are san diego based school and tier 4. i only wish to get into TJ and hope with my 3.0 from UCSD that i have a shoot.
    i will have to take the lsat again in june, which will be my 3rd attempt and consequently my final attempt.
    does my small increase from 139 to 142 help me in applying or would thay have liked to see huge improvement? i just cant seem to get the LSAT, it is killing me.
    thanks
    alex

    • Alex,
      Thanks for your comment.
      I do not think your improvement is going to make enough of a difference for you, even given your modest goals.
      I would tell you to try to improve your score for June, but not to take the June exam unless you’re seeing significant improvements in your practice exam scores.
      Good luck with this.
      Ann

  6. Kevin on said:

    Mrs. Levine,

    I received a 145 on my first take and a 147 on my second. I really studied my behind off (did perfect on the games and horrible on reading comp).
    I also have a 3.62 gpa.

    I live in NY and can go as far as Jersey… where can I get in with these numbers?
    Also would applying night/part-time help?

    -Kevin

    • Hi Kevin – I sent you an e-mail directly. Unfortunately I can’t give such specific advice within the confines of the blog. I do refer you to the LSAC admission calculator and the LSAC ABA Official Guide to Law Schools for information about the acceptance rates for people in your bracket at law schools in your area.

  7. Tania on said:

    Dear Levnie,

    I have taken the LSAT 5times (137, 141, 144, 145, 145). I am currently on a wait list at Hoftra in NY. I made the same list a year back but did not gain admission. My GPA is 3.28. I can honestly say that I was not well prepared the first 2times I took the test. Do you know of any schools in the NY/NJ area that might consider my scores? I have three years of Paralegal.

    I am considering going for my Masters instead and possibly re-visiting the LSAT in another 5years. Do you think this is a wise idea? I seriously want to get into a law school. Thank you.

    – tania

    • Tania, It’s AMAZING that you’re on the WL at Hofstra. Don’t give up – go talk to them and campaign your way in! Charm them! Impress them!
      Good luck!

  8. Nina on said:

    Hello Ms. Levine, maybe you can give me an advice. I am not a stellar scorer, my practice LSATs were in the following order:
    142,146,151,145,152,145,149,146,146,150,152,144,144 and today’s score was again 149. Each time it’s a different section that either gives me a boost or nife in the back. So, as you see, I can only hope for the best on coming June 8th, since, sadly I have NO consistency at all on my scores.
    I intend to apply for PART TIME programs only in Chicago schools – John Marshall, Loyola, DePaul and Kent. I can’t go anywhere at all, have a toddler and a baby on the way (I am a mom :) )
    My GPA I think is 3.18, but it’s not cumulative, it’s just from my graduating institution (LUC). Do I have a shot with at least John Marshall LS with my scores (maybe average) and my GPA, for PART TIME program, and if I write a good pers. statement?
    You can reply to my email.
    I would appreciate your comment very much.
    Thank you
    Nina.

  9. sophia on said:

    Hi, Ann

    I have a cum GPA of 2.6 from undergrad i took the lsat three times and i scored the times I took it i was not ready 132, 129, 133 do i stand a chance going into law school, I have a passion and the drive to be an attorney. pleanse email me back if you can help me.

    • Sophia,
      Thanks for your question. I want to answer this for everyone’s benefit because so many people in similar shoes have this question. I actually have a whole section in my book about Very Low LSAT scores, and -unfortunately- you qualify in that category. You are not going to be competitive for admission with these numbers and I would not take on a client with your numbers because chances of success are incredibly unlikely, especially in a competitive admission cycle. I can’t remember seeing anyone with your statistics get into law school. I feel badly telling you this, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but chances are that even if you made it to law school you would not make it though and if you made it through you would struggle with the bar exam.
      The good news is that you said you were not ready for the LSAT. If you are really motivated, please prepare differently the next time you take it. Please find a private tutor who will work with you and who incorporates a style that you can relate to. Give it your best shot, and if under those conditions you improve your score then that’s great and if you don’t then you’ll know for sure this isn’t for you.
      I wish you the best of luck.

  10. Jane on said:

    Good evening –

    I believe my June LSAT results of 143 are too low for me to meet my goal of gaining acceptance into the dual MSW/JD program through Boston College. As an active student in the Boston College MSW program, my cumulative GPA is 3.670. While my undergraduate GPA is also a bit low, subsequent graduate work undertaken at an Ivy League school prior to joining BC was completed with a cumulative GPA of 3.30.

    They say lawyers should never ask a question they don’t already know the answer to, so I thought I would practice and ask if you would recommend investing in a LSAT prep course to then retake the LSAT in the fall before applying; or would you recommend applying with my current standing with an addendum, and then if (most likely when) declined, retake the LSAT and then apply again?

    • Jane, It sounds like you didn’t take a prep course for the June LSAT so you MUST retake the LSAT with a prep course or tutor (or both). Don’t apply and waste time and money this year when you know what it’s going to take to reach your goals!
      Good luck!

  11. Sarah on said:

    I received a 142 on my lsat , no idea why I scored so low. Bubbling issue??? My practice scores were in the low to mid 150s. My gpa is a 3.6! Do I have any chance at gaining admissions to a law school?

  12. David on said:

    Dear Ms. Levine,

    I graduated from a small private school with a BA in poli sci (3.23 gpa). Scored poorly on the LSAT even with a prep course (145 and 144), though I’ve never been a good standardized test taker. I’m not interested in top tier, perfectly satisfied with most 3rd tier and a handful of 4th. Do you think it’s worth a shot to apply to 10-15 school within this range? Thanks!

    • David,
      I have a whole chapter in my book geared toward people with low LSAT scores, so that might be really helpful to you. I don’t know enough about you yet to know whether you’d be one of the few folks in that range who gets admitted. Certainly, the shot is with the fourth tier schools if they are picked carefully.
      Thanks for reading the blog – good luck!
      Ann

  13. Adam Pugh on said:

    Ma’am,

    I have 7 years of experience as an USAF officer. My records indicate exceptional performance having been ranked the #1 of 400 Captains on my base, in addition to winning distiguished/top graduate awards from every formalized training event I completed. I interned for a US Senator, have started 2 charity organizations, and have strong corporate work experience after my time in the military. While I have strong 3.3+ GPA undergraduate, I’m concerned about my 147 LSAT score. I’m looking at a few lawschools in the 15-25 range of rankings. Should I take the test again, or does stand a chance without re-testing? Thank you for time.
    ALP

  14. Dear Ms. Levine,
    I am a 24 year old teacher and am looking to go to law school. I have taken the LSAT once and scored a 149. I am planning on taking them again but due to a learning disability I am unsure if I will be able to improve my score (standardized tests were never my strong point). I have a 3.75 undergrad GPA and a 3.95 Grad GPA. Both of my GPA’s are in education. I have two questions; will my unrelated studies hurt the appearance of my GPA? And how much higher of an LSAT score do you think I would need in order to be accepted into a top 50 law school.
    Thanks!

    • Hi Chris,
      Thanks for writing. I think you’re smart to realize that your unrelated studies will cause some trepidation in review of your application; I work with people to help minimize these kinds of concerns and turn them into strengths. Your GPA information all sounds good, but I don’t know when or where you obtained these degrees. You are so young that I’m assuming you don’t have a ton of teaching experience. I think to be competitive at a Top 50 school, I’d like to see your LSAT raise at least 8-10 points, but it really just depends on where you hope you to apply because obviously there is a different threshold for different schools and different locations, part time versus full time, etc.
      Please let me know if I can help you in any way.
      Ann

  15. Dear Ms. Levine,
    I have read your responses, appreciated your direct feedback and thought to ask my own question. My son is expected to graduate from hunter college, CUNY with a history major. His LSAT score is 147. Although, he always did well in school, he has never been a great standardized test taker. Having taken a prep course with Testmaster he scored 147 on LSAT. He registered to retake the test but having been getting even lower scores on the practice, he sought to cancel the registration. Unfortunately, he was one day late and could no longer cancel the registration. what do you suggest is the best course of action here to avoid damaging his already slim change of getting into a school in a try state area (New York, NJ, Connecticut)? He is afraid of getting a score lower than 147 and does not want to take the test.

    many thanks for your advice!
    Nelli

    • Nelli,
      Thanks for writing. One strategy might be to take the test in September anyway and cancel it as soon as it’s over. Not showing up just counts as a cancel, so he might as well practice taking the exam under test day conditions. Then, he should take a prep course or get a tutor (there are many options in the Tri-State area) and try to improve his score on the December test.
      Please let me know if I can help in any way.
      Ann

  16. hello, i had one question im sure you will be able to help with.
    my last LSAT was 142, i am now studying and preparing to take the dec lsat. at home study and i have a class starting Oct 4. besides having UCSD on my resume, i have little else. i was wondering if i interned at a law firm would this make a significant increase in my chances in getting into a law school? even tier 4 is ok with me. Or would i be better of not interning and spending my extra time purely studying for lsat. i plan to study 8 hrs/day, but if i have an internship, i would probably not get in as many hours. does the internship offset a potentially lower lsat score? thanks so much!
    alex

    • I’m very glad you’re retaking the LSAT. While having something on your resume that shows you have an interest in law is beneficial, it’s not as beneficial as having a solid LSAT score. Internship does not offset the score, unfortunately. But this is a great question, and I’m so glad you asked it.
      Ann

  17. @Ann Levine

    just to make sure, i didnt mean does the internship offset my score of 142. the question i meant to ask is if i didnt have an internship and dedicated all my time to lsat and scored a 152, or is it better to have an internship and score a 149? all hypothetical at this point, but i am just stressing this lsat so much, i figure i shouldnt spend any time filing papers for a law firm… what do you think? thank you so much for your very quick past response.
    alex

  18. Arielle on said:

    Ms. Levine,

    I just received my second LSAT score back. I received a 147 the June 2009 test and a 146 for the September test. I have taken the Prineton Review prep course twice and the highest I have scored with them was a 160. The first time I took the LSAT I was a nervous wreck, the second time around I thought I did great, and I bombed it again. Do you think that I have a chance at getting in to law school at all? My UGPA is a 3.28, I work 25 hours per week for a law firm and I go to school full time. I plan on applying in December. I was thinking of using my personal statement as a way to explain why my scores weren’t up to par. What do you think? Thank you so much!
    Arielle

    • Hi Arielle,
      I think – if you choose the right schools – you can get into law school. However, I do not believe the personal statement is the appropriate place to discuss LSAT scores. That’s better addressed in an addendum.
      Ann

  19. Elisabeth on said:

    Hello,

    I just received my LSAT score for my second round of testing today…it was a 142. My first score was a 140. I am understandably concerned with this, as I am unsure whether I should take it a third time, or whether I should apply to law schools and hope my high GPA and references get me in. My cumulative GPA is 3.6, while my undergraduate (from the last two years of my BA) GPA is 3.89.

    While I understand that it is very unlikely that I will score dramatically higher on my third LSAT attempt, I realize given the fact the first two times I relied on home studying and no prep course or tutors to prepare, that if I utilize those methods of study instead this time around I may have a better shot.

    I have two questions:

    Could it hurt me more by taking the test a third time around?

    Given my GPA and two LSAT scores and without taking the LSAT again to I stand a realistic chance of gaining acceptance to any law school?

    Thanks..

    • Elisabeth,
      It would probably be worthwhile for you to try a prep course, but the December LSAT is only 5 weeks away and that’s not a lot of time to make serious headway on a test that you obviously struggle with.
      I would urge you to evaluate whether you are willing to wait a year and put more of an investment into your LSAT preparation.
      Ann

  20. I have a 3.2 GPA, and my LSAT score was a 148. It was my 1st time taking the LSAT. I’m not 100% confident that my grade would change much if I tried to retake it. I am interested in a part-time evening law program in the Manhattan/Queens/Brooklyn area. Do you have any idea if speaking to a guidance or admissions counselor at the school I’m interested would help? I know that many schools are slightly more lenient on evening applicants when it comes to LSAT scores. So far, I’m not even sure if New York Law School would accept me. What would you do if you were me? Do you know of any other schools with evening divisions in my area that I might have a better chance of getting into?

  21. Hello:

    I am currently working as a tax accountant and my work around taxes has prompted me to attend law school. Given these facts/comments-do you think I should apply this year, given increased applicants due to economy, or should I wait another year? Any general advise I can get is appreciated.

    1)I have taken practice exams, and score around 145-148.
    2)I no some people will say its an excuse,but i dont test well and that is evident from my sat score of 940, yet a gpa of 3.4.

    3)I would prefer to attend law school part time.

    • Harry,
      I don’t think a year is going to make a huge difference in terms of competitiveness. The better reason to wait would be to give yourself more time to improve your LSAT score.
      The 940/3.4 doesn’t really prove too much because a 3.4 for your undergraduate school might be the median – it’s more about out performing your numbers so if you had a 3.9 and the average entering SAT score at your school was a 1200 but you had a 940, then that shows standardized tests might not be indicative of performance for you generally.
      Part time is a great way to attend law school, but it’s really going to be about whether you can achieve your potential on the LSAT in a short time frame.
      Ann

  22. hello, i have been studying for the last 2 1/2 months, for my lsat. original lsat scores were 139 and 142… now i am scoring in the range of 149 to 151 on 3 or 4 diagnostics.
    i am a bit terrified because this is my last attempt at the lsat (3rd time) and worry of getting a 149 or lower…
    with less than 2 weeks, i dont know what else i can improve on, does it seem possible i have a chance at Thomas jefferson or california western, or most any tier 4 schools in california?
    4 letters of rec including one from a lawyer i am interning at.
    thanks for all your advice,
    alex

  23. Dear Mrs. Levine, I am currently a Senior Finance major at West Virginia University… I want to start out by saying that I am a TERRIBLE standardized test-taker… My current cumulative GPA is a 3.6 and I took the LSAT in September and received an unfortunate 145… I already took the Kaplan Prep Course and I am taking the December LSAT again this coming saturday… obviously this is my last chance for Fall 2010 admission for taking the test but I wanted to hear your opinion on my current situation… I want to stay relatively close to home here in West Virginia so I am applying to Duquesne, Dayton, Appalachian, West Virginia, and Mississippi College… What are my honest chances of getting in with these kinds of numbers… I excel in the classroom but standardized tests really stick it to me… I feel that I have a decently strong resume and some trusted recommendation letters… I am in the process of writing my personal statement but what I asking is… AM I GOING TO GET IN TO LAW SCHOOL?? (let’s say even if I don’t improve my score a lot saturday) Please email me at jmalfreg@mix.wvu.edu – Thank you so much, James

  24. Hi Ann,

    I’ve taken the LSAT twice thus far with a 141 the first round and 144 this last time. My GPA averages about 3.1 (I transferred from a semester to quarterly school) grew up with a disability that was fixed through corrective surgery and spend two years volunteer teaching in China. Now I want to take the LSAT again in February and think I can improve my score but I’m wondering if my background and 2 years of work at a very prominent internet company with an ! in the title might allow me to get into the part time program at Lewis and Clark College in Oregon. I hear admissions requirements are lower but I’m thinking not that low. Thanks!

    • Hi Scott. Retaking in February could be worthwhile if you could improve your score 5-8 points. However, it’s hard to do that in a month and it would be your last time eligible to take the test in a 2 year period, so only take it if you’re really going to be ready for it.
      Good luck with everything, and let me know how I can help. Happy New Year!

  25. Hi Ann,

    I am in my final semester of college. I recently took the LSAT in February and my score was a 132. The thing is, I studied but at the same time I was handling schoolwork as well. I have an overall 3.4 GPA and am involved in national honor societies at my school and I have research experience, and other work experience. I am a recipient of many academic scholarships. I also have professors who speak very highly of me that have written letters of reccomendations for me. I am applying to two schools who have conditional admissions. Also, according to the LSAC, they converted my GPA to around a 3.5. Do I have a chance of getting into a law school with conditial admissions?

    • Lana,
      I think you are better off retaking the LSAT with significant preparation in June. Apply early for Fall 2011 and you will be much better off. But the most important thing is raising that score. You have the GPA and well rounded experiences, so you need the LSAT to put you in the ballpark.
      Ann

  26. benny on said:

    hi,

    I have taken the LSAT two times the first time was in sep.2009 and the next was in feb. 2010. I received a 133 the first time and a 147 the second time. The first time I took the test I was very nervous and at the time had a lot on my mind. When I retook the test I felt very confident because I did my best and took a preg coarse to prepare however when I saw that I only scored a 147 I wasnt sure what to think. I really want to go to law school, do you think my chances of getting in are fairly good?

    • Benny,
      People with 147s and decent GPAs and good applications do get into law school if you pick the right school. That’s actually a great score increase, so congratulations!
      Ann

  27. hello,
    I was wondering if a Master degree counts for anything when law schools look over your application. I took the feb. LSAT and got a very low 143 my UGPA is 2.12 but I have a Masters degree in urban planning with a 3.5 GPA. I only applied to 4 tier schools because I’m very realistic. My first choice is John Marshall Chicago because I know they look for URMs and I am one. I also sent in four LORs, two from attorneys (one of which teaches at JM) one from a judge I’ve worked with in the past and another form my undergrad advisor who knows why my UGPA is low. I know I don’t have the greatest chances of getting in, which is why I’ve already registered to retake the LSAT but I’m hoping for the best. Will the Masters degree help at all?

    Thanks,
    Amy

    • Hi Amy,
      A graduate degree is a subjective, rather than objective factor in the process. Your GPA doesn’t “count” in your index calculation, but you can refer to it when trying to show what you are capable of doing on a rigorous level, and of course letters of rec from graduate professors are persuasive. The attorney and judge letters may or may not be helpful – unless you did significant work for these individuals then these aren’t the right people to right you letters of rec. Your undergraduate advisor might be able to talk about your low GPA but that’s not a good LOR either – you need someone who can speak to your strengths and talk about what a great student you are. I have a number of upcoming webinars on explaining weaknesses and who should write LORs. If you’re interested in participating, you can sign up on my website.
      Ann

  28. Thea on said:

    Dear Ms. Levine:

    I just received my second attempt LSAT score of 145. My first attempt was in June ’09, with a score of 147. My lowest practice exam score was 151, but my average was 159. I went to undergraduate school at an Ivy (but I graduated 10 years ago). I earned a 3.3 GPA as a two-sport athlete. I currently work full-time (for an attorney) and have two children, thus would be considered a non-traditional applicant.

    I have a history of poor standardized test scores (SAT & GRE) and test anxiety, yet managed to succeed at a very competitive undergraduate institution. Unfortunately, I live in an area where there are NO prep courses available and NO private tutoring options either. I do not plan to enter law school for a few years, and since I have been out of school so long, I am trying to take things slow and plan ahead. I am wondering if it’s worth trying to retake the LSAT for a third time, given that my practice scores are so much higher. I’m not sure what I could do differently (other than study even MORE) to have enough of a gain to make a difference.

    Would it be better to wait until right before I am ready to apply? Or should I keep up the momentum with studying and retake in June or September? I appreciate any advice you can give.

  29. I got a 160 on the LSAT and have a 3.6 gpa majoring in Economics. What would you say my chances of getting into a school like the University of Iowa or Illinois are?

    • Pete,
      As a matter of policy, I cannot give schools advice on the blog format. This is a service I provide to my clients only after reviewing their qualifications. I can’t answer just based on the numbers. For more information, see
      Ann

  30. Crystal on said:

    Hi, I have a 142 LSAT score and I only took it once. I have a 3.6 GPA. I’ve applied several places in the IL/MO/IN area and so far I have gotten denied I’m waiting on Valpo but I don’t think it looks too good considering I got denied to SIU. Any thoughts on what I should do? Or what I should do next semester besides taking the LSAT again?

    Thanks.

    • Hi Crystal,
      Definitely prepping for the LSAT and working hard to improve each piece of your application. I recommend planning for the October LSAT so you have all summer to concentrate on it. Find a good prep course or tutor that really works for your learning style and schedule. Please let me know if I can help as you work to reapply for Fall 2011.
      Ann

  31. Crystal on said:

    I’ll be graduating in May of this year. What else can I do to my application besides improving my score? In addition will my loan deferment stay deferred if I get into law school next year? I don’t know if I could afford to go to law school full time and have a job in which I would have to have to pay back my loans. This year both semesters were filled with 300 -400 level courses (21 credit hours each semester) and 2 internships. I thought my GPA would make my score look less crappy– did they take anything into consideration?

  32. Hi Crystal,
    I can’t answer financial aid questions – you need to call your lender to ask that.
    Whether your recent courseload was taken into consideration depends upon when you applied, whether you called attention to this effectively, and how your grades were while you handled all of this while taking on two internships. But you sound really motivated and the situation is NOT hopeless.
    Ann

  33. Laura on said:

    I am a horrible standardized test taker and as no surprise to me did horrible on my LSAT. I got a 143 and then decided to retake it again after practicing and getting a tutor and still received a 143. However, I graduated with a major and a minor with a GPA of 3.75. I just don’t know what else to do or add to my application to appeal more to a law school. I applied for 2 here in Atlanta and got put on hold at one school and denied at another. I would just like any suggestions you could offer. Thanks!

  34. Sarah on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I have taken the LSAT twice, in December and February, receiving a 144 the first time and 140 the second time. I have a cumulative GPA of 2.10 from FU in CT and I am very interested in going to law school. I currently work as a tax professional and a real estate agent, which has encouraged me to want to help people on a bigger scale. I am realistic about my situation, but I would like to know what chances do you think I have of being accepted to law schools in the tri-state area?

    Thanks,
    Sarah

    • Sarah,
      With the low GPA and low LSAT combined, this is going to be a very difficult road for you. I never like to tell anyone it’s impossible, but you’re going to have to find a way to show you can make it in an academically rigorous environment. Just having the will to go to law school isn’t enough; your numbers aren’t going to show a law school that the potential for success exists so you’re going to need to seek out a way to prove it. It might include a private LSAT tutor, getting a Masters degree, or any number of things (or all of them).
      Good luck in this endeavor.
      Ann

  35. Crystal on said:

    How could have I drawn attention to this in my application? I mentioned it in my personal statement saying something along the lines of having a lot on my plate and it being challenging but rewarding or something along those lines. I also mentioned being involved in extra curricular activities and my experiences through my 2 internships that have further shaped my interest in law school. I have been told by numerous people that law schools look at more than numbers and I feel like they all lied to me. I feel that these schools took one look at that 142 and said nope not her. If I don’t get into law school this year what can I do, specifically, to improve my application. I understand the reality that there are 100’s if not 1000’s of applicants that look just like me on paper. What should I do to set myself out side of the pack?

  36. Hi Crystal,
    I completely understand your frustration. This is an impossible question for me to answer without reviewing your current application materials. If you were to sign up to work with me for your Fall 2011 applications, I would start by reviewing everything you submitted this year so I can coach you through how we would present your case more effectively. I work with people one on one to decide the exact strategies that will help your application shine and maximize your chances of success. However, the 142 is also undoubtedly a big part of the problem and I would want to work with you to come up with a plan to improve your LSAT score as well.
    For more information, you can check out the other tabs at the top of the blog. Sorry I’m unable to tell you what you can do differently without seeing what you’ve already done.
    Ann

  37. anonymous on said:

    Hi, I didn’t study much (due to various circumstances) and got a 146, my GPA is 3.7, magna cum laude, double major ENG & PHL, receiving a national award in PHL, president of 3 clubs, excellent LOR’s, speak several languages, and have various other activities/events/skills in my resume. I’m also not originally from the US. My weakness is standardized tests, although I excel in my studies. My professors keep suggesting Yale and Columbia, since they do not know of this weakness and they don’t know my score, nor will they ever know…. I’m very, very ashamed of this.

    I’m afraid that my top choice will reject me with the LSAT score that I have, it’s not a top 100 school but it’s a very good school, accepting 153 as its lowest score (according to its admissions site).

    I’m going to study like a maniac and retake the test in June, but this will only be considered for the Fall 2011 admissions, and I’m petrified of losing an entire year. I know my chances are slim, I guess I’m just looking to get a some sort of a little boost in mood, since mine hasn’t been up lately. Thank you so much.

    • Dear Anonymous – I need you to repost your exact comment with a name so that readers can follow the thread of my response. Then I will hopefully provide the boost you need!

  38. Ann,

    Everytime I take a practice test, I score in the mid to upper 150’s. I recently took the LSAT and scored a 133. I don’t understand why there is such a drastic drop in numbers, and I don’t know what the appropraite way is now to study. Any suggestions?

    Thanks!

  39. Ann,

    Everytime I take a practice test, I score in the mid to upper 150’s. I recently took the LSAT and scored a 133. I don’t understand why there is such a drastic drop in numbers, and I don’t know what the appropriate way is now to study. Any suggestions?

    Thanks!

  40. Camille on said:

    Hi Ann, re-posting as you asked : ) Thank you so much for your input, I appreciate it greatly.

    I unfortunately didn’t have the opportunity for enough practice for the test (due to various circumstances) and got a 146, my GPA is 3.7, magna cum laude, double major ENG & PHL, receiving a national award in PHL, president of 3 clubs, excellent LOR’s, speak several languages, and have various other activities/events/skills in my resume. I’m also not originally from the US. My weakness is standardized tests, although I excel in my studies. My professors keep suggesting Yale and Columbia, since they do not know of this weakness and they don’t know my score, nor will they ever know…. I’m very, very ashamed of this.

    I’m afraid that my top choice will reject me with the LSAT score that I have, it’s not a top 100 school but it’s a very good school, with 153 as its 25th percentile score (according to its admissions site).

    Right now, I’m studying like a maniac for the next 2 months and retaking the test in June; but for most schools, this will only be considered for the Fall 2011 admissions. I’m petrified of losing an entire year. I don’t know what I would do in this missed year. Although I know my chances are slim with the score I have now, I guess I’m just looking to get some sort of a little boost in mood, since mine hasn’t been up lately. Thank you so much Ann!!! You’re doing an amazing thing here, I’m so glad I found this site.

    • Hi Camille,
      Since you’re very concerned about going to law school as soon as possible, you’ll have to apply now. It’s not a great position to be in – applying late in a very competitive cycle with a low score – but it is what you have to work with so give it your best shot. Then you’ll probably find that you need to take the June LSAT and apply for Fall 2011. I think waiting for Fall 2011 is the better option because it will save you time, money and heartache. Plus, if you submit the best possible applications they won’t have hurried or lackluster applications from the previous year to compare them to.
      I wish you all the best!
      Ann

  41. shon on said:

    Hi Ann, I took my february 2010 Lsat and got a 138, which is horrible! I took the lsat prep course and registered for the test in December, became nervous and did not show up. When February came I did not study and just took the test. I am finishing up my master’s program and have applied to 4 law schools. I am so nervous because I feel as if I will not get in. I am 23 years old, African American, no children, no commitment. My focus is Law School. Should I re take the test and apply for Spring 2011? I applied to Uconn, Fordham, St. John’s, and the University of Miami. Do I stand a chance? My gpa is a 3.6. Another problem that I am having are my advisor’s lack of motivation for writing my letters of recommendations. I ask all the time and I get the same response “we’re working on it” I feel stuck and frustrated.

    • Shon, I think you’ll find you need to plan to take the October LSAT (June is coming up too fast) and you need to really prepare for it since it’s your last chance at the test (unless I’m misunderstanding your testing history). You will need to build a schools list around your LSAT score (whatever it ends up being upon re-take) and perhaps your advisor is trying to tell you he/she doesn’t really want to write you a letter. You may need to consider other avenues.

  42. evelyn on said:

    Hi Ann
    I’m new to the blog but I need some advice. In Aug 2010 I will be graduating from a no-name college with a gpa in the 3.1 range. I have only taken the Lsat practice test with Kaplan and I scored a 134. What do you think should be my next course of action?

    • Evelyn,
      Your next course of action? PREPARE FOR THE LSAT. Take a prep course, get a tutor, do what it takes. Then see where you are in a month. If you’re not hitting at least high 140s in 4 weeks of real prep, then postpone until October. But remember, they give you the diagnostic to scare you! It’s meant to show how much prep is needed before the real thing, so don’t get discouraged. Good luck, and welcome to the blog!
      Ann

  43. Francis on said:

    Hello,

    I am glad I came across this website. I haven’t taken the LSAT but I have taken the practice LSAT. I don’t remember what my exact scores were but I think they have around a 143. I was wondering if it was possible to study hard enough and go from a 143 to a 160? I plan to study hard and focus on studying for at least 1 or 2 months before I take the real LSAT. My goal is to go to law school. I need to get into law school. I live in Texas and I can go to any law school in Texas. If you can help, or tell me what I need to do to get a 160+ I would greatly appreciate it. I have taken an LSAT prep class but I didn’t get it. Does one have to be naturally smart to get a 160+? I doubt myself, but I know many things are possible if you really put your mind to it. Thank you so much for this website.

    • Francis,
      I have a few thoughts about your comment:
      First, I don’t believe in having a goal score because this is an aptitude test. Your goal should only be to get a score that best measures your aptitude. The only way to do that is to adequately prepare for the test.
      This brings me to my second point – you haven’t adequately prepared for this test yet. If you “didn’t get” the material in a traditional prep course then you need to invest in a tutor.
      Third, given your goals of where you hope to attend school, you should have options at any level so long as you raise your score approximately 10 points. This should be doable in 2 months of good prep for the test.
      Fourth, one month of study is not enough. You may want to consider regrouping and taking the October exam.
      I wish you all the best. Thanks for reading the blog.
      Ann

  44. Nicole on said:

    Dear Ms. Levine,

    The summer before I graduated from my bachelor’s program in 2007 (B.B.A. in Management with a minor in Legal Studies) I studied on my own for the LSAT and received a score of 143 (not so good).

    Since graduating from my bachelor’s program I starting working as a full time legal secretary/paralegal in a litigation/real estate/estate law firm. While working full-time I attended Montclair State University in the evening full-time as a graduate student majoring in “Law and Governance.”

    This September before graduating I spent only a month re-studying for the LSAT (and from a not so current book). I took the LSAT and received a score of 133 (awful). I decided based on my score that I had not chance in hell and did not apply to any law schools. I graduated my masters program with a 3.5 average. I was going to consider waiting 5 years before re-taking the LSAT as scores tend to become stale. What advice would you give me. Would any schools accept me based on those scores?

    • Nicole,
      You need to retake the LSAT with a prep program/tutor that works for you and for your schedule. You don’t have to wait 5 years so long as you improve your score because most schools take the highest score in the index formula. You would then submit an addendum to explain the lower scores.
      I wish you all the best in this endeavor.
      Ann

  45. Ms. Levine

    Thanks for this blog. I received a 147 and was accept to one school in VA beach but decided that I did not want to attend there. I am now on the waiting list for the Univ of Baltimore. I have been kind of down with the waiting progress but this article actually helped to let me know that I was not the only one who felt terrible about their score. If I’m not accepted, I’ll retake the exam in December after taking a prep course. I have no questions for you…just wanted to say thanks for the article.

  46. Matthew on said:

    Hello,

    I am currently a senior hoping to graduate in December. I am a double major in History and Political Science and am graduating early. I have a deep interest to go to law school in Texas. I am a little nervous because on my first try of taking the LSAT I scored a 142. My GPA is a 3.9, I am actively involved in the community and school as well as contribute a huge majority of my free time to community service. I am planning to take the LSAT again in the fall. However, if I do not bring my LSAT up a lot can still get into a law school?

    • Hi Matthew,
      Let’s see how the new LSAT score comes out before I give you a concrete answer, but your GPA and experiences should count for a lot if your application materials play to your strengths.
      I wish you all the best!

  47. Jane on said:

    Dear Ms. Levin,

    Help! Several years ago I took the LSAT and scored in the high 140s range. Since that time I went to work in several Fortune 500 companies like GE. I am also completing my M.A. from Dartmouth. I am registered to take the June LSAT. I have been studying and finding that I am not scoring well at all. Do I have a chance at a decent school in the New York City area? I am interested in the Fordham International Law Program.

    My undergraduate GPA was about 3.7 (Cum Laude) and I have very strong grades at Dartmouth.

    I have done well in both undergrad and grad school, I have been successful in my career. But, I just can’t seem to do well on the LSAT.

    It is really discouraging!

    Any advice would be much appreciated.

    Best,
    Jane

  48. Ashley on said:

    I have a GPA of around a 2.7 from University of Mo-Columbia, I only took the LSAT once I got a 138, I paid a lot of money for the Princeton Review , I really don’t want to taket the LSAT again but am thinking about re taking it in October and apply for the Fall 2011 semester. Is there any schools that you know of would accept me now and if so what schools? I graduated from college in December 2006 in Social Work. I have wanted to be a lawyer since I was 7. I

    • Ashley, You MUST retake the LSAT. If Princeton Review didn’t work for you, then get a private tutor. Remember that it’s not about the money you paid, it’s about selecting a program that works with your learning style and aptitude. Good luck!

  49. Olga on said:

    Dear Ms. Levine:
    I was supposed to take the lsat on October 2009 but because of a personal matter I was unable to go. I never called to re-schedule the test. Will that hurt me in the future? Right now I’m taking an lsat prep class and in my first practice test I scored 136, then 139, and the latest score about 2 weeks ago was 145. I am studying almost 6 to 8 hours a day. My main concern is the timing, I never get to answer all the questions; always missing 6 or 5. I’m not sure if I should take the test on October or wait until December. Any advice will be very helpful!
    Thank you!

    • Olga,
      A “no show” is not the end of the world. I’m much more concerned about your current LSAT prep. You have plenty of time with the October LSAT but please intervene and get a tutor before you keep repeating your mistakes. Good luck!

  50. Tiffany J. on said:

    Hi! I am going to take the lSAT in June for the first time. I have been studying on atnd off from since February. I am in my senior year in college and I will be graduation next year with a BA in Criminal Justice with Honors. My GPA is currently 3.8 but I can raise it to at least 3.9 by the time I leave school. I am super active on and offcampus.I have I have two questions: one, Do you think if I have a low LSAT score, all my other things (such as being an honors student, volunteer work, extra currics, and gpa) will make up for it and I will get into an Columbia Law School? (that’s my first choice-not because it’s an ivy bt because i love their program). and Two: what advice can you give me in the “less than three weeks” i have left to prepare for this exam? I honestly don’t feel i am ready one bit :(

  51. Ron BLatch on said:

    Hey I just took the Lsat in December.. ill be honest I didnt Study for it at all and scored a 140… i have a 3.45 GPA and am a black male. Im Kicking myself for not studying but i still have 2 more attempts at the test. This time i plan on Taking a course and studying very very hard. What advice do you have for someone like me?

    • Hi Ron,
      You definitely learned a lesson that a lot of people learn – you’re not the only one. Definitely take a course and take a lot of practice tests and see if your average scores improve. Once you start to hit a consistent score pattern, you should feel good about taking the test again. If you’re struggling with anything in particular, seek help from a good tutor. You will need an addendum to explain the first score, but you can’t think about that until we know your next score so for now just study.
      Good luck!

  52. Ollie on said:

    Hi Ms. Levine

    I’ve taken the LSAT three times already, 139, 146 and 147 but that is not even the worst of my problems. I did horribly in college (because i never studied or did any actual work) and my gpa is a ridiculous 2.1 cumulative. Since then, I began work as a paralegal, fell in love with it and want to take the next step. I absolutely appreciate your candor and i need to know if i have a shot at law school. I’ve been told that i should do my masters (even though the schools calculate the index based on your gpa and lsat score) and gain more work experience, i’ve been told to wait 5 years and retake. The bottom line is i cannot change my undergraduate gpa, but what are my options when my lsat score is a 147? I suppose it is also important to note that i live in Jamaica and my transcript could probably benefit from an evaluation/translation.

    • Ollie,
      You have an uphill battle – I think you know that. I assume you’re a recent graduate? If your transcripts need to be evaluated then definitely take care of that first so that you know what your LSAC Academic Summary GPA will be. The 146 and 147 trend is positive – if you bring diversity and a strong application, there are schools where you may have a chance.

  53. Katie on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I was wondering if you would happen to have any advice about LSAT scores with regards to Canadian law schools (University of British Columbia and The University of Victoria, specifically)? I have found your blog incredibly interesting, but I am not sure if my situation, which is similar to some of the stories posted, would fit with your advice. Would you be able to refer me to any Canadian-specific online resources?

    Just so you know my situation, I am nearing the end of my Honours degree in English Literature with a Minor in Political Science and have a 3.95 GPA – this all from a top 5 Canadian university. I have a fairly full resume, including work experience in a law firm and with the federal government, and an upcoming legislative internship. I’ve taken the LSAT once before, and scored 153. I will be away for 2 months this summer, but would like to retake the LSAT in either October or December of this year. However, I will be also be writing my Honours thesis for its December due date, so things might be a bit stressful and I’m afraid I won’t be able to score any higher than my previous attempt. I could leave it as late as February, but would rather not. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! And thanks for writing such a helpful blog!

    • Hi Katie,
      I think taking the LSAT while doing your Honors Thesis is a mistake – you’ll be setting yourself up for failure. I’d almost rather see you finish your thesis and prepare for the February LSAT, or just go ahead now and apply to schools where you have a shot with your 153. Your grades are fantastic. However, if you’re applying to Canadian law schools, there aren’t too many that will take a 153 so you might have no choice. It might be worth waiting to apply until after you graduate, take the Sept. 2011 LSAT and apply for the Fall 2012 cycle. Just some options to consider.

  54. Hi,
    I am a recent graduate with a BA in History and a GPA of 3.5. I had a internship at a Law Firm back when I was in school. I have 8 years of experience in Sales. I am 24 years old. I volunteer on regular basis. Had a 4 year scholarship. Well, much involved in the community. I have been studying for Lsat since feb 2010. I am about to take my lsat for the first time in June 2010. My practice scores are 136, 140, 143, 145, 142, 136 and 138. I am very nervous about whats happening to my score and why its going down even though I have studied well and continuously practicing. What do you think I should focus on? I would like to attend M.cooley in Mi.
    thank you

    • WJK, I don’t think you’re ready to take the LSAT. I’m not sure why Cooley is where you’re shooting for…. I think I would wait and study for the October LSAT instead and try to get practice scores up higher (like low 150s) because most people score lower on test day than on practice exams, and your practice scores indicate that might be in the 130s.
      While you can take the June LSAT and just plan to retake in October, it can feel pretty demoralizing to come back with a score like that – it’s hard to come back from that, both emotionally and results wise.
      Ann

  55. Jason on said:

    I am unsure if these boards are active or not, but its worth a shot! Ann, I am scheduled to take my first LSAT this coming Monday. To say I am nervous is an understatement.

    My preliminary practice test to determine if law school was merely a pipe dream from a year ago was 160. I have taken probably about 20 practice tests since then, and I only scored a 160 twice. My scores ranged from 152 to 160 with 156 being the mode.

    I tried to take the tests in non-ideal situations, with my children running amuck in the house.

    My problem is i feel unprepared for the test. I have tried to improve my scores with various workbooks from the used bookstore, mainly Kaplan books and logic games workbooks. It is the logic games section which consistently my downfall.

    I would love a mid 160 score which would enable me to apply with a bit of confidence to Univ Texas, but I will be happy with a mid 150 and possible admission to St. Mary’s in San Antonio.

    I would appreciate advice whether to go ahead and take the test, or possibly try different study tactics (pay an outrageous sum for a prep course) and take the test in October for Early admission cycle in Nov.

    I appreciate any response, perhaps I just need a sympathetic ear to vent to who knows how stressful this one test can be. I thought proverbial wisdom has taught us not to put all our eggs in one basket, but it sure seems the LSAT is just that – a large egg basket. Or, perhaps at this point, I’m the basket(case). Thanks!

    • Jason,
      Thanks for writing. Yes, take the LSAT. You’ve studied consistently and your scores are consistent. Take the test. If it doesn’t come back 154-157 then you can try to retake in October using a prep course – hopefully an affordable one.
      good luck!

  56. Winston on said:

    Hi! I got a dilemma that I need some help/guidance with. I am currently am a rising junior at the University of Maryland and majoring in Biochemistry. At first I thought that I wanted to go to Medical school and do something related in the medical field. The past two summers I have been interning at a Law Firm and have realized that I have developed a passion for law. The only issue is that I am struggling in Biochemistry with like a 2.3 at the moment and things aren’t getting much better. I was wondering do you think that switching to major like Economics; would help the GPA aspect because I know I will not be a competitive applicant with sub 3.0 GPA. I feel that changing my major will give me a semi fresh start allow me to start raising my GPA. I have plans to start preparing for the LSAT but I am just wondering what is the best way to position myself in order to be competitive in the application process.

  57. Stephanie on said:

    Dear Ann,
    Thought I would ask if you have ever come across a tutor for LSAT in the DC area who has experience with dyslexia. GPA 3.78 Work experience on the Hill but no luck finding anyone who gets the issues in prepping for test with this particular issue. Any recommendations?

    • Hi Stephanie, try Advantage Testing but be warned that they can be very pricey. Be sure to ask about pricing options. I also highly recommend INspirica.com but they aren’t located in DC. They might do skype tutoring in DC or have a tutor or two in the area. Tell them I sent you.

  58. Jeffrey on said:

    Dear Ann,
    I graduated from UC-Santa Barbara in September of 2009 with a B.A. in History. My cumulative GPA was 2.92. I took the LSATs last year in December but was not confident in my score so I decided to cancel it. I took the the LSATs again this past June and got a 149. I know that, with my qualifications, I likely won’t be admitted into the top-tier schools. However, I was wondering what are my chances getting into law school period. I’m from the San Francisco area so Golden Gate University would be among my top choices.

    • Hi Jeffrey,
      I don’t give school specific advice in the blog format, but yes- I think you’re looking at the right school in the Bay Area. You have a shot at getting into law school – but I’d have to know more – grade trend, how you were doing on practice LSATs, resume, etc. That’s why I can’t answer those kinds of questions in this format. You should think about whether retaking the LSAT would pay off for you, but even if you think it won’t then I think you have potential to succeed.
      Ann
      PS. I’m in Santa Barbara!

  59. David M. on said:

    Dear Ann, I am 33yo with polisci major & minor in legal thought. Former US Marine with post-military GPA of 3.75(last 3 yrs of college) & overall 3.3 due to a misstep or two in mid-90’s. Legislative internship, strong letters, and personal statement. Problem:2 cncld LSATs & 1 very bad 144 in June. Tier 3/4 possible?

    • David,
      This year, I didn’t take any clients with a 144. The year before I did, and they are now 2Ls at California Western and Western New England. But they both had good GPAs and life experience (like you). However, I would definitely feel better if we could get your LSAT up 3-4 points. It would make a big difference in the outcome. The two examples I mentioned were before the recession started (before the big upswing in apps).
      Ann

  60. Hi Ann,
    I have taken the LSAT twice.. First score was a horrible 138. This june’s score was a 149. I was usually scoring in the low to mid 150’s on practice tests. My current GPA is a 3.6 at Umass Boston(majors:psychology/philosophy, as well as working on certificate in philosophy and law program). I was wondering the chance of getting into New England/Western New England with those numbers? I know the lsat score is low but i know i can prove myself in law school if given the chance. Any thoughts/suggestions. Thank you

    • Lo, Congrats on the fantastic improvement! Yes, you’re looking at the right schools. Just create amazingly strong applications and I feel good about your chances!
      Ann

  61. I scored a 149 on a practice LSAT and I have 2.7 ugpa. I’m an African American male and wanted to know if certain schools offer a boost to underrepresented minorities?

    Thank you

  62. Sabrina on said:

    Hi Ann,

    my friend took the LSAT last year and got a 148 and took the June one this year but unfortunately scored a 146. I don’t know what happened because she was scoring 152-154 on practice tests. GPA is low as well. Any chances of getting into law school such as Thomas Jefferson? What advice do you suggest?

    • Sabrina,
      Your friend can try – she shouldn’t retake the LSAT because it looks like she is within a certain scoreband, and Thomas Jefferson should take the highest score. She may or may not need an LSAT addendum depending on the circumstances. How low is the GPA? If its a 2.5 and there’s nothing else really remarkable about her candidacy, it may not work out in her favor….. Before I can give advice about candidacy for a specific school, I need a lot more information – I need to see transcripts and resume, inquire about diversity, etc.
      But, the good news is that it’s not completely hopeless.

  63. Anne He on said:

    Hi, Ann

    I took a LSAT and scored 153. I am from a China and intend to apply a law school in Canada. Is there any hope for me.

  64. Victoria on said:

    Hi,

    I took the LSAT three times and average out at 140. My GPA is a 4.0 and I applied to 12 law schools and got accepted into 2, Thomas Cooley and Florida Coastal. I was wonderding if I will have a good shot at transferring out ( maybe University of Michigan) of either school into a Tier 1 school, with excellent grades? or am I stuck in the 4th tier because I am almost sure that those bad LSAT scores will come back to haunt me.

    Thanks

    • Victoria – congrats on getting two acceptances!!!!
      It’s very hard to transfer from those 2 schools – for many reasons. At THomas Cooley, many are academically dismissed and are just fighting for the chance to get back into any law school.
      In terms of U of Michigan, you have to remember that everyone at the Top 25 schools are trying to transfer into the Top 10…. You’re not going to realistically be able to transfer from either of those schools to University of Michigan. You may be able to transfer to a T3 or another T4, but only if your grades are really strong. It’s not your LSAT that will haunt you – when you transfer it’s all about the caliber of your law school and your academic performance there.

  65. Hey Ann

    I received a 143 on my Lsat and have a G.P.A of 3.5 what are my chances at 2nd and 3rd tier schools? Thanks for your input!

    • Jan,
      You need to try to retake the LSAT. I noticed you also commented on the post about the Atlas LSAT workshop. Why don’t you give a new prep method a try and see if you’re able to raise your score?
      Ann

  66. Amanda on said:

    I will be a senior at Emory University this fall. I just took the LSAT for the first time in June, scoring a 156, about consistent with my practice scores, but still slightly disappointing for my goal of low-mid 160s. I also have a cumulative GPA of 3.15. Is there any weight given to my application by coming from a top 20 college with a GPA on the lower-end? Also, does it look strange to employers to graduate from a significantly lower-ranked law school after graduating from a top-tier university? I am starting to wonder if I would have been better off attending a state university to get a higher GPA.

    Thank you!

    • Amanda, going to Emory is a good thing. Really. And there’s nothing you can do about it now. I believe in worrying about the things within your control and not worrying about the things outside of your control. The LSAT is within your control, but if you practiced sufficiently and your 156 was in line with practice exams, then you’re probably not a great candidate to retake the LSAT. Just wanting a mid-160s score isn’t really relevant; this is why having a goal score doesn’t really work.
      I would start preparing your schools list and application materials based on your current credentials and see how you do.
      Ann

  67. Tiffany J. on said:

    hi
    me again lol
    i took the lsat and got a score in the low 130s
    the entire exam was way too stressful for me
    the entire provess really….
    i am not retaking the test
    so where should i apply to in NY?
    owever i wanted to give u a little background..

    GPA: 3.885(I can get it up to 3.9 by the time i graduate)
    Graduate: June 2011
    Honors student
    I’m getting scholarships
    Heavily involved on and off campus
    Interned at a police department
    I do volunteer work for fun =)
    positive role model
    made the Presidents List every semester I.ve been at college
    Getting my degreee in Bachelors of Criminal Justice (with Honors)

    here’s my story:

    My Journey Through The LSAT

    For the most part, I pretty much aspired to be an attorney since my high school days. When I moved to New York, I focused intensely on my schoolwork, in efforts to achieve high marks. However, I did not realize that I miscalculated one entire year. I thought I had more time than I actually did which unfortunately, took a toll on my preparation for law school. When I sat down to review all my undergraduate work and finally prepare for the transition to grad school in December, I realized I wasted a lot of time and I had to get things moving quickly if I wanted to achieve my dream. I took the first step by deciding to take the June 2010 LSATs. However, because of finances, I also made the decision to study on my own (huge risk) and to purchase some materials. I eventually was able to buy a Princeton Review LSAT book in February. I began the preparations and the journey to what would be a memorable experience.
    I listened to the advice of my professors as well as searched for tips and tricks of the LSAT. Understanding the material was way harder than I could ever imagine because you literally had to rearrange your thinking to understand and grasp the concepts. Many times, I opened the book with high hopes of conquering the material, only to close it several minutes later with tears in my eyes and a mindset of defeat. This is the first time in my life I have ever experienced what an anxiety attack is. Learning about it in my psychology classes was one thing, but actually being the victim of several was a heavy burden. Studying for the test took a toll on my self-esteem as well as my schoolwork. Around the time I was prepping, I was not able to give ample time to my studies. Therefore, I ended the Winter 2010 semester pretty badly and started off the Spring semester pretty rocky. This experience by itself was horrific in itself but unfortunately, outside factors and personal unfavorable situations landed me in a state of depression. I though the worst was over when Sunday, June 6th, 2010 rolled around. Simply because I faced the fact that there was nothing more I could learn at that point for it was the day before the test. I was joyful and actually looking forward to the test, more so, the end of the test. However, just like life is unexpected, so was the day of my test.
    June 7th, 2010. This was probably one of the most exhausting and painful days of my life. My classmate and friend, Jessica Orozco, took the test with me. There were so many complications with the test on that day. When I arrived on site, (by the way, when I visited the testing site a few days earlier, they showed me the wrong building) the proctor was so rude and aggressive towards me. I was about 2 hours early. I’m thankful to God I did because I had to use that time to figure out multiple issues and calm my emotions down. Firstly, I had to figure out where the correct location of my site was supposed to be. The address on my ticket did not match up to the actual location of the June 2010 LSAT examination. Even though it was one building away, I was still uneasy. When I found the correct floor, the proctor would not let me come in because of my bag. On the directions, it said that I was to have a clear plastic bag filled with certain items that I would be allowed to take into the testing site. I had that bag. However, I was coming from Westchester all the way to Manhattan to the Metropolitan Pavilion. I kindly asked the man if I could put it in the corner. In a rough aggressive voice he said, “No, go find some place to put it. I don’t know where you can put it.” He then turned his back and went on his merry way. I almost burst into tears because I just traveled for about an hour and if I went back home there was no way I would be able to make it in time. I called several people and I finally decided to suck it up and ask one of the people in the offices to hold my bag. I would have to put my utmost faith in God to guard my stuff since I did not know who these people were. I found someone about 20 minutes before the test who I believe was my angel that day. I was fingerprinted and sent into the test.
    According to all the advice I had received about the LSAT I was supposed to spend my morning warming up my brain with some practice problems. I was not even able to do that because I was completely stressed out. This was certainly NOT a good way to start a test that I paid over a hundred dollars for. When Jessica finally arrived (because I warned her of everything that I went through beforehand so she could take the necessary precautions), she motioned to me that there were bags in the corner of the room! I marched up to the proctor and asked him why I was supposed to leave my stuff with a random person and he was allowing other students after me to keep their bags in the corner of the testing room. He did not have an answer but told me if I wanted, I have one minute to run up 3 flights of stairs, retrieve my things, and make it back down for the test. If I was not back before the test began, I was going to be shut out of it. I did not want to risk it, even though the woman with my stuff was only going to be there until 5pm (and this test stretched until approximately 6pm). I cursed the man under my breath and went to sit back down. Another proctor came after me and we made a deal that during my 15-minute break I would go retrieve my belongings and come back for the test. It was a better deal. I took it. I prayed and started my test. With all the practicing I did, I reached my one and only goal – which was to fill in every bubble (there are no lost points for guesses or wrong answers). I burnt out emotionally, physically, and mentally by the second section.
    After the third section, I finally went to retrieve my bag. I took the ancient elevator up to the sixth floor. Now, I had to figure out how to get someone to open the door, since it was closed…..my luck! I finally decided to take the phone located outside the door and just ask for help. I was able to get inside, thank my angel of the day, and return to the testing site. The decision making process was at work yet again. This time I was faced with using the last seven minutes of my break to either eat my lunch and then rush to the bathroom or rush to the bathroom and then eat my lunch. I ended up choosing neither option. The line to the women’s bathroom was about 15 girls long, while the line to the men’s bathroom was four people long. I wish I could have exchanged bodies at the moment. I decided to eat my lunch on the bathroom line. I was the only one to do so but desperate times call for desperate measures. I ended up using the men’s bathroom and returning to my lemonade, which I drank in thirty seconds flat. I was ready to call it quits but decided against it. I would toughen up and finish the rest of the test. I went back to work on a test that became foreign to me. Unfortunately, I felt that the writing sample was the part of the test I did the best on and of course was the part of the test that was unscored. The test ended and while I was disappointed with myself, I was happy to have fought this dragon. I walked out of there with a little smile on my face. I realized that I was stronger than I thought and could endure more than I imagined. That was a good thought to end the day with.

    Epilogue

    I received my LSAT test results and they were nothing close to my targeted goal. I did poorly on the test. However, I have always wondered if law was the right field for me. The experience opened my eyes to what my heart was trying to tell me all along. I should not pursue a career that I “think” I should go into. Rather, I should go into a career that I love passionately. My newfound truth has helped me to abide by the following quote by a very smart man:

    “If you choose a job you love, you will never have to work a day in your life”

    ————————————————————————

    Now i was wondering if law really is for me
    i was looking into pursuing my masters in public administration at binghamton university
    all i know is that i want to work with the community
    kinda why i wanted to go into law so i could do public service

    still debating whether or not to apply to law school
    but i’m DEFINATELY NOT retaking the LSATS
    that’s for sure

    …..so what do you think? lol

  68. Tiffany,
    If you cannot retake the LSAT, you will not make it through law school and you will not pass the bar. That might be harsh truth, but that’s how you need to approach this challenge; how we approach challenges in life dictates our success.
    I wish you all the best.

  69. Angelo on said:

    Ann,
    I took a practice LSAT and my preliminary score is a 137. I realize this is horrible. I have hired a tutor to personally aide me in improving this score. The question that I have is in my potential for improvement on this score. I have a 3.93 GPA at Stony Brook University. I was a sergeant in the United States Marine Corps and was awarded several medals/commendations. Will these accomplishments/GPA offset my LSAT score when applying? (realizing that I will need to improve drastically). Do you think that a tutor can help me make these drastic improvements by the December test? In any event, thanks for any advice you might provide.

    Angelo

    • Angelo,
      You have PLENTY of time to significantly raise your score before December. Plenty of time. Hiring a tutor is a great step in the right direction. Keep me posted on your progress – your GPA and accomplishments are fantastic but you still have a lot of time to bring your LSAT where it needs to be.

  70. My C Average GPA is horrible due to being in the military while getting my double major and minor. I was pulled out multiple times for a deployment to Iraq, Hurricane duty, military schools, and worked a student job (36 hr/week) while attending school full time. I understand I wont be working while attending law school and I can financially manage that now. My LSAT was a 149 on the first try but I know I can do much better on the games section which I had studied for and slacked before the test. I was getting a 152-155 on the practice tests. What are some schools that will rank my LSAT score higher than my GPA and might give me some leeway due to my military service?

    • Brent,
      Every school will place more emphasis on your LSAT and military service. Every school that accepts people with your LSAT score regularly, that is. You just have to create the materials that entice them to do so.
      Ann

  71. Susan Lopez on said:

    I took the lsat in June and got a 153. I graduated from the University of Chicago with a 3.56 gpa while working 20-30 hours a week to pay tuition and cover my expenses, and I’m really intersted in public service law. My resume is packed full of work experience in nonprofits and working on different social issues. I’m planning on taking the LSAT again in december. My dream school is UCLA but I’m not sure if thats realistic. I’m definitely applying to lower ranked schools as well but I’m wondering if its even worth applying and if I stand a chance at getting in at UCLA with a higher score. How much of an improvement would I have to make on the upcoming December test for this to be a reality and would it be possible?? I would really appreciate some light on this issue so that I’m not setting myself up for the impossible.

  72. I have a 147 LSAT score, I’m taking a prep course, however my practice tests go from 152 to 146, I am not consistently scoring higher than 147. I study for 3 to 4 hours a day but I am not seeing consistant progress. My GPA is a 3.18 for my Bachelors in Business and a 4.0 for my MBA. I really messed up when completing my Associates Degree, this is why my GPA for undergrad is so low. Once I started taking Bachelor’s degree classes, 300 and 400 level classes, I have only received A’s. For the last 2 years, I have had nothing but A’s. I don’t care where I get into law school at, I just want to go somewhere. I am very worried. Any advice?

    • Hi Mandi,
      Did you see this post about determining whether you’re ready for the October LSAT?

      You may want to keep going until December, maybe supplement with some private tutoring. I would feel best if you were consistently scoring in the low 150s before taking the exam because most people score 3-4 points lower on test day due to anxiety, stress, and new questions.

  73. Hi Ann,

    I just took my very first LSAT practice test this morning and scored a 150. This was with very minimal preparation or studying–I was pretty much writing it cold.

    I plan on writing the LSAT in December and plan on studying more or less every day for a few hours until then. I have a bunch of practice exams and the standard study literature stuff like Kaplan and Powerscore. How much do you think I’ll be able to improve in what’s more or less a 3 month timeframe? My best score was reading comprehension, followed by logical reasoning and then logic games. I was pretty terrible in logic games (I only finished about half the questions). My main problem stemmed from taking too long to finish questions–is this something that can be corrected with enough practice and studying?

    Thanks!

    • Aaron, you’re off to a great start! You have tons of potential to improve! My next Blog Talk Radio show (this Wednesday) is going to talk about low-cost LSAT prep options so check it out!

  74. Joe Seaton on said:

    Ann,

    I scored a 153 on the LSAT and have a 3.49 GPA from Virginia Tech. I am an Army ROTC cadet and am trying to delay commissioning to go to law school. I have to submit an application to the Army to do this. My file will go before a board and they have to decide if I will be able to get into law school and be successful. Will those figures look somewhat attractive? Thank you!

  75. Joe Seaton on said:

    Ann,

    I guess what I really would like to know is – based off of those figures, (hypothetically speaking – I know this is very broad) am I capable of getting in to a law school and passing the bar? Those figures are really the only things the board has to look at and those are really the only questions they want to know.

  76. Lindsay on said:

    Hi! I am taking the LSAT on 10/10. I have two questions… First is it possible to do better when you haven’t studied very hard? I did better on my practice tests when I wasn’t hitting the books so hard! Also my undergrad gpa is around a 2.75. I am currently in grad school for education with a 4.0 gpa… Will this help redeem my low gpa? Thank you!!

    • Hi Lindsay,
      You might be sort of “in the middle” with your studying – you might know just enough to be confusing yourself and not enough to be mastering the material. You should consider waiting for December and giving yourself a chance to really understand the test. Your grad school GPA won’t redeem your undergraduate grades, but at least you’ll probably have some good faculty LORs from grad school!

  77. Sharon on said:

    Ann,

    Last year I took the LSAT for the first time and scored a 154. I applied to some schools but way too close to the deadline of when applications were due and received rejection letters from them although I was wait-listed to Case Western but ultimately, did not get accepted.

    I just took the October 2010 today. The last practice exam I took with my test prep course a week ago, I scored a 160. The logic games is always my strength and what pretty much carries my score. Unfortunately, today I couldn’t figure out one of the games and did not get to complete the last one, missing at least 5 questions… and usually my overall LSAT score is at least a 158, but it always depends on having 1-3 wrong in the games section.

    I am really considering canceling my score and retaking the December LSAT. Maybe by trying to improve the other sections and not relying on the games as much. The timed circumstances, is what I’m really struggling with in the other sections.

    My undergrad gpa is a 3.29. Would it be a good idea for me to at least apply to some schools in the 150 range early on (possibly before the beginning of November) with the 154 and a canceled score? Could it heavily affect my application that they see the canceled score?

    Lastly, what do you think is the best approach to working on timing for the logical reasoning sections and reading comprehension?

    Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.

    • Hi Sharon,
      Thanks for writing. I will try to answer as many of your questions as a I can but some of them really are things I can only help you with when I know your entire background (like how to choose schools, etc.).
      You’re right to be concerned with applying earlier this year. I can’t give advice in the blog format about whether to cancel your score or how to best prepare for timing yourself well on the LSAT (but I have lots of links to LSAT tutors, prep courses, and free LSAT resources on this blog).
      You can go ahead and apply to some safety schools based on your current numbers but you need to ask the school whether your application will be held for your December LSAT score because if it will be then there is no advantage to a two-pronged application approach. I hope this helps.

  78. Good Morning ,

    I took the LSAT twice and received a 137 and then a 142. I have a 3.5 GPA with my BS in Legal Studies. I worked at a Med Mal Defense firm for 4 years and have been at my current firm for 5 years. I applied to FIU last year and did not get in. This year I am applying to NSU . Do you think I have a shot at getting into NSU this year ? Should I re apply to FIU this year if nothing has changed ? Also if I am invited to participate in AAMPLE do you recomend that or re taking the LSAT ? I really don’t think i have it in me to re take the LSAT i really hate the test and on my second attempt i took a prep course for it so this time it would be only with self study. Your thoughts are appreciated !!!

    Thanks

    • HI Erin,
      If nothing changes in your application then I don’t see the point of reapplying to FIU and I even think the AAMPLE program is a long-shot. I want to urge you to invest in a good LSAT tutor and retake the LSAT, perhaps in February to apply for Fall 2012. I want you to give yourself lots of time to prepare and give it your best shot. Otherwise I think you’ll be wasting this year by applying to these schools. I wish you all the best.

  79. Thomas on said:

    Hello,

    I’ve received my LSAT score and I am not pleased. My score was a 139 and I have a 3.16 GPA at Georgia State. This is due to getting C’s in Calculus and Film classes my freshmen year, back in 2006. I have already signed up for the december test. I have a large amount of on campus experience including being vice president of my fraternity of 85 active members, student government association delegate, residential assistant, student assistant, mock trial team member, and IFC delegate, plus community service hours. Is there any chance of me getting into any law school right now with these extracurriculars? – Thank you.

    • Thomas, I’m glad you’ve signed up for the December test. I think it’s vital that you take it. I highly recommend changing whatever you did to prep – if you studied on your own, do a really good prep course – online options are wonderful and affordable now. If you did a prep course, get a knowledgeable and experienced private tutor. You have a great leadership record but you need an LSAT score that will get you in the door for consideration. I wish you all the best!

  80. Colleen on said:

    I have only taken the LSAT once and got a score of 154, and I have an undergrad gpa of 3.76. I’m not sure if I should retake the lsat or what my chances are of getting into a 2T or 3T school? I may just be over thinking it, but I have convinced myself that my score should be higher. I appreciate any advice that you can give me, thanks!

    • Hi Colleen,
      When we consult with someone one-on-one, we can provide you with schools options but I can’t do it in the blog format. Sort of thinking you might do better doesn’t persuade me. If you prepped well for the test and took lots of practice tests (timed!) and your score was more than a few points higher than the 154, then you do have potential to increase your score by retaking it. If you didn’t prep very much for the test, you also have potential to increase your score.

  81. klaudia on said:

    Hey Ann, I received a 147 on the lsat and have a 3.4 average. I wanted to retake the test in Feb because I wouldn’t be able to retake in Dec. Would that be too late to apply? If I apply now then will schools consider my second lsat grade when it comes in? Please help and thank you for all your help.

    • Klaudia, February is too late. I don’t care what any law school tells you about how they accept February LSAT scores. What they really mean is,”We’ll be happy to take your application fee and count you among our big increase in applicants- and therefore rankings- this year.” You can’t be competitive with a February LSAT score unless it’s above a school’s 75th percentile, which isn’t going to be likely. I think the better plan is to (1) try to apply to some reasonable schools with your current score; (2) wait a year and retake the LSAT in June and apply for Fall 2012.

  82. Hi,
    I have taken the lsat twice, once in June (139) and in October (143). I have 3.7 gpa. My major is sport management with 2 minors is communications and business administration. I am in 3 national honor societies and an active member in the sport management club. I have never been done well with standardized tests (22 on the ACT). Is there any chance on gaining admission to 3rd or 4th tier law schools? My top choice is Charlotte, but i have visited many others that would be suitable.

    • Landon,
      I’m sorry to tell you this but I haven’t seen anyone with a low 140s LSAT be successful in years; your grades are very good and so are your other accomplishments, I am sure, but I’d like to at least see you improve your LSAT 3-5 points. Good luck with it!

  83. Hi Ann, I have an AA degree from 8 years ago and my cum GPA was about a 2.9. I have a BA degree with a 3.9 GPA, I graduated summa cum laude. I am a 37 year old mother of two with a full time professional career. I am highly motivated to attend law school, but I only received a 144 on my LSAT. Do I have a chance at all of getting accepted to law school? I have very strong LOR and an evaluation on LSAC.

    • Hi Kate – there’s some chance of you being admitted depending on where you’re applying but by “some” I mean almost none, even at schools on the lower end of the LSAT spectrum. I really think you need to re-attack the LSAT with a different prep method and at least try to get the score up 4-6 points.

  84. Hi Ann,

    I took the LSAT in June and received a 158, I decided to retake it in October and received a significantly lower score of 149. I have 3 years of work experience in accounting and vendor contracts. My undergrad GPA is a 3.4 from UC riverside with a degree in business administration. I’d like to apply to schools on the west coast including Loyola, San Diego, Davis, Champan, and perhaps Hastings. My LORs are from my CFO that I work with and a business law professor/practicing lawyer.

    I would like to get your advice on if I am targeting the right schools, if I should consider retaking the LSAT, and how I should handle giving an explanation of the lower score if needed? Do law schools typically consider the highest score? In part my low score was due to having a bad week, however on practice tests I was consistently scoring above 158.

    Thank you for your help in advance!

    • Hi Anjie,
      My first thought was, OUCH! That can’t have felt good…. You will need an LSAT addendum first of all. ABout your schools list, we can absolutely work with you on that (but I can’t comment within the blog format because it is too individually-based). For more information about our hourly law school admission consulting.

  85. Hi Ann,

    I just received my score from the Oct. LSAT; I scored a 140. I am not certain that there is enough time to prep for the Dec. test in order to raise my score significantly and I read your answer about law schools “acceptance” of February test scores.

    My situation as it stands presently:

    Score – 140
    GPA – 3.3 – 3.6
    Will graduate from BC – I have taken 3 courses year-round

    I have been a paralegal for 14 years at a well known firm. I draft complex motions; prepare clients for trial and deposition testimony; prepare direct examination outline for trial; draft final pleadings for complex cases;
    handle all aspects of discovery, manage, prepare for, and attend trial, as well as other tasks. My firm handles complex high-end divorce cases that include trust issues, custody and conduct issues, business valuation issues, income issues, and real estate valuation issues.

    I had my son, who will be 16 in 3 days, when I was 20. I am now 36. I have always been a simgle mother. I have worked very hard.

    I have a recommendation letter from a Judge who I was before as a paralegal at a trial and he was my teacher.

    I have recommendation letters from well-respected attorneys.

    Do I have a chance of being accepted to a law school?
    Maybe middle of the road school like Suffolk or New England Law as an expample…

    • Hi Jen, you remind me of one of my clients who is a 1L at Western New England School of Law. She had comparable experience as a paralegal at a big firm in Boston. She had a 3.8 GPA and was Phi Beta Kappa and she had a 144 LSAT. I’d love to see you try to bring that score up 4-6 points.
      If local schools have part time programs and you apply now and tell them you’re retaking in February, you might be ok so long as the rest of your application is complete. But please don’t study on your own. I know great prep courses and tutors in Boston that you could take advantage of even with your busy schedule.

  86. Natalie on said:

    Hi Ann,
    I have been following your blog for a few months and it is very helpful. I was wondering if you take on clients with low lsat scores like 145 and below?

    • Hi Natalie,
      I do in some cases. We have no “minimum” LSAT threshold for hourly law school admission consulting.
      For my Option A package I do sometimes take on people with mid 140 LSAT scores if I think that other aspects of their files (and their flexibility in their schools list) shows me they have a chance of succeeding that I believe I can make better by working with them. I am honest with people and I tell them there are no guarantees other than that they will feel they did everything possible to maximize their chances. Then, if not admitted to law school, you’ll at least know that it’s the LSAT holding you back.

  87. Thanks, Ann.

    I did take a power score prep course but my schedule only left me 4 weeks to prepare. I did not put it off – I worked every day in May and June; took 2 classes in July/August which equates to 4 nights per week; 3 classes in the fall started up; and, I virtually shut down to prepare for the LSAT. I was scoring between 140-149. I probably should have invested in a tutor as it is quite clear I did not learn how to apply the concepts. It is very fustrating as I have never “bombed” anything.

    I intend to apply to an part-time evening program as I need to work full-time; is this type of program more likely to accept Feb LSAT scores? No chance of anyone taking me with a 140??!!?

    How much weight is given to recommendation letters and its authors?

    Do I contact you for tutor recommendations?

    Thanks.

  88. Hi Ann,

    I looked to see if you had any questions from International Students, however couldn’t find one. I learned English while in High School, however, possess good writing and speaking skills. I took the LSAT two times 137 didn’t study for it at all :(, and 148 had to study! Although I scored higher in my practice tests (154, 153, 152) I got very nervious on the test day. Would being international from a small country, having a good resume and a GPA of 3.5 help me get into UCLA? Thank you in advance for your advice!

  89. Hi Ann,

    I’ve been reading your blog since I started studying for the October LSAT. I’ve found it very helpful and informative.

    I began studying in June for multiple hours a week, and took a total of 20 practice tests. My lowest score was a 149, and my highest was a 158. On average it was a 152. Unfortunately, the test reflected my lowest LSAT score (149). The week before the LSAT I took three practice tests, and got a 154, 155, and a 156. It was disappointing that trend did not continue.

    Fortunately, my soft factors are strong. I go to Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo and I have a 3.87 GPA.. I have supported myself 100% financially throughout college as well. I’ve also been interning at the Senior Legal Services (which is a pro bono legal service) and I love it. My goal is to focus on public interest, and specifically children’s rights while in law school.

    Currently, I’m hoping to get into California Western, however my low LSAT score is making me apprehensive. I’m trying to decide if I should retake the December test, however I do not have the time to study as intensively as I did during the past few months.

    Would I stand a good chance to get into Cal Western? If I were to apply now, and then take the December test, would the December test affect my application at all?

    Thank you for your help,

    Jess

    • Hi Jess, Your soft factors are strong – good school and great grades while paying your own way? I love it. I understand your LSAT disappointment, but your school pick is reasonable. I don’t think you absolutely need to retake the test. Good luck with CW! I love that school!

  90. Ann,

    I scored a 146 on the October exam, but I plan on taking the test again. I am a division 1 soccer player, and have a 3.85 GPA as a double major. My overall application is very solid, but my LSAT score is my only blemish. Would you recommend studying extremely hard for the next 3 months and taking the test in February (with hopes of scoring in the mid to high 150’s), or prepping for the next month and taking the test in December (most likely scoring in the high 140’s to low 150’s)? By the way, the next time I take the test will be my last.

    Also, do you think with my current score and credentials that I should apply to some t3 or t4 schools hoping to help my chances since I’ll be applying early in the cycle? What are your thoughts on receiving an education from a t3 or t4 school? Thanks in advance for your answer, I really appreciate it!

    • Hi Ross, It would take me a while to answer all of those questions (you may benefit from an hour’s consultation) but I will say this: I’d rather you take the February or June LSAT and get in the mid to high 150s, but this would mean applying for Fall 2012 instead….

  91. Dear Mrs Levine,
    I would like to start by saying your blog and responses are a great idea and have helped me in the past month just reviewing your comments to others posts. I do however, have a question that I cannot seem to find the answer to in any of the books I have read or on any websites. I originally took the LSAT in December 2009, and wasn’t expecting much to come out of it. I received a score of 139. This was poor as you know. I went through deliberation on the topic of becoming a lawyer and getting into the law school of my choice. I put the next months into studying the LSAT prep materials and even taking an accredited prep class. I just received my October 2010 scores, they were a 152. This is not anywhere near how well I planned to do, but it is what it is. I’m strong willed, committed and overcome some troubles early in my college years. My GPA is a 3.0 and I was curious that since my LSAT jumped from a 139 to a 152, should I write a letter explaining that in my application or will the jump in itself be enough for the law schools to see my work ehtic? Thank you so much for your time.

    With warmest regards,
    Chris

  92. Jackie on said:

    Hi Ann:
    I took the Lsat 3 times, my score was 138, 142 and October score was a 135. I want to take it again , but this time I want to enroll in a prep course. My question is, would it make a difference if i score a average of 160? I notice they average your score, so the prior average that I had( which is was 140) now is 138. I really dont know if it will make a difference or if I should wait. I have a bachelor en legal studies with a GPA 3.4
    Thank you

    • Jackie – yes, it will make a difference! They take the highest of multiple LSAT scores at most schools. Plus, you have really nowhere to go but up with your current scores.

  93. Jackie on said:

    One more question, if I score a 160 0r 165 on the last lsat. Will the Law School consider the last high score or only the average score?
    thanks

  94. Ann-
    Please help! I have a cumulative GPA of 3.88, but I only scored 134 on my LSAT in October, 2010. Will I stand a chance of being accepted by a law school in Texas? Thanks for your help.

  95. Hello Ann

    I am taking the LSAT in December and I am a little nervous about it. I have been taking the Kaplan Prep Course and form most of my practice tests I have scored roughly around a 150. Hypothetically if I get a 150, what are my chances of getting into some decent Illinois law schools (I live in Illinois by the way).

    I have excellent softs. I was able to graduate the University of Illinois of Chicago in just 3 years, with a double major and a GPA of 3.8. I also worked every semester except once. My softs are really strong and I was wondering of my chances to get into NIU, SIU, Kent, or John Marshall. Thanks for the help in advance and keep up the good work on the forum.

    • Hi Serg, If you actually get a 150 I think you have a shot at the schools you mentioned. However, most people score a few points lower on test day than they do on consistent practice tests. But since it’s December, what I recommend is the following: Take the test and apply with the score you get. If you’re not happy with the results, you’ll have time to study for and take the October 2011 LSAT and apply early in the Fall 2012 cycle.
      Good luck! And Happy Thanksgiving!

    • Hi D,
      I have had people with your numbers get into all 3 of those schools, but without knowing soft factors (which I can’t review within the blog format) I can’t tell you whether you fall into that ‘reach’ category or not. I will tell you that the people who got into USC and/or UCLA with a 163 were either: (1) minorities with cultural/socio-economic factors that were meaningful or (2) people who were connected politically and went to very prestigious undergraduate schools. In all cases, they had strong GPAs like yours, so that definitely works in your favor.
      Good luck!

  96. Dear Ms Levine,

    Why do law schools use the most objective measure to evaluate candidates? Further, don’t law schools understand students who have better financial resources for LSAT prep and private tutoring will have a considerable advantage in admissions given they more likely to get a better score?

    As a PhD student in the sciences who wants to a patent attorney, I can’t see the wisdom in the system and why 4-5 years of graduate school with solid grades are considered irrelevant versus a “good” LSAT score. My current score is155. Is this all driven by US News World rankings?

    With this economy and this system, why should I spend 100K on law school and go to a lower tier school that might not help me. Maybe the best approach is just get a better LSAT score?

    Why don’t law schools just do it like graduate school or medical school? Interview candidates and make a holistical evaluation.

    • Hi Nathan,
      I definitely understand your frustration. I don’t think USNews drives all of it. I think, to be honest, there are just way too many people applying to law school and some criteria has to be employed in distinguishing between large numbers of people. Some initial criterion has to be used to distinguish between them. But judgment calls are made. WIth a PhD and a 155 you have a lot of potential to get into a reach school. Law schools are not blind to other factors, but do use UGPA and LSAT to weed through the volume.
      Ann

  97. Thanks Ann. I hear what you are saying: many candidates just get loss in the mass of applications and the high LSAT score is the only way to distinguish yourself.

    Based on my experiences in graduate school and working with many colleagues, career progression or getting anything done that is meaningful in life depends on passion and networking. Not a 4 hr standardized exam. Really, does a LSAT score encapsulate the intellectual ability of a given candidate? Wonder if I can employ an informational networking approach to help distinguish myself? In graduate school, many professors grant interviews to students interested in research and it often helps in being admitted. How would you employ this approach to help your candidancy?

    Ann, there are a few schools that sent me emails and applications requesting my consideration. I don’t have the LSAT scores for these two schools. Should I read anything into this?

    Finding the time to study properly for the LSAT has been a pain while completing my thesis. For my application fee, I want to make sure my application gets more than a cursory glance……. I want to do this in an assertive and polite way.

  98. Hi Ann,

    I am taking the LSAT in December and I have been very nervous about it. I am taking an Kaplan LSAT Prep Course. However, on the 3 practice tests I have taken I have scored in the mid 130’s. Standardized tests have never been my strong point going back to when I took the ACT. My softs are good. I graduated this past summer with a gpa of 3.2 in just 3 years from University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC) with a major in Criminal Justice and a minor in Sociology. Also, I did hold a part time job every semester. I realize I need to try and get an average score on the LSAT (around a 150) for me to have a shot into getting into my target schools which as of now are John Marshall, NIU, and SIU. I have talked to these schools and they tell me that they don’t have a cut off point in terms of the LSAT. So, I guess my question is if there is no cut off point. What is their thinking when a law school sees that an applicant has an LSAT that is in the mid 130s between the mid 140s?

    • Hi Mike,
      The schools are telling you they’ll happily accept your application (and fee) no matter your LSAT score, but of course there’s an unspoken cut-off with LSAT scores. I haven’t seen anyone with an LSAT score in the 130s or low 140s be accepted to law school in the past year or two.
      The law school employees have a job – their job is to recruit applicants. They are going to say whatever they are going to say in order to do that.
      I would say that you need to wait to take the LSAT until you can take more practice tests (three is not enough) and improve your score.

  99. Hi Nathan,
    I don’t agree that it’s the only way to distinguish yourself. I’ve seen too many people get into schools where their LSAT is below the 25th percentile to think that’s the case.
    Once you are in law school – any law school- passion and networking are absolutely important factors in finding employment and other opportunities. There is no question. In terms of the admission process, this is why visiting schools and attending forums and law fairs can be helpful.
    You can read more on my blog elsewhere about the fee waiver thing – schools try to recruit applicants, but they are also trying to boost application rates (more apps, more denials, better ranking).
    You mentioned two key things – being assertive but also being polite. I wish you all the best.

  100. Hi,
    I have a question, I have a 2.32 GPA and 142 LSAT score and getting discouraged about law school. I’m scared if I apply I will get rejection letters and I’m not sure what to do. what do you think I should do? should I apply with these scores or not, do I even have a chance to get in a ABA approved law school.
    If you can help me please thank you
    Coral

  101. Ricardo on said:

    Dear Ann,

    My wife has been studying for the LSAT for the past 6 months. She is taking the Powerscore and took the Kaplan prep course last year. She is scoring in the 145-148 range in the practice tests. She can answer 75% of the questions correctly, but she’s just not fast enough. This could be due to the fact that she is not a native english speaker.

    She is hispanic, has a 3.33 GPA (3.53 degree GPA), graduated cum laude and has 6 years of paralegal experience. She has overcome various obstacles to get her bachelors and will talk about them in her Statement of Purpose.

    She wants to go to the University of Florida, but given her scores she will apply to the University of Miami, too. Do you think that UM would take her with that LSAT score? Would they consider the fact that she is hispanic and that English is not her native language favorably to the point of taking her with a 148-150 LSAT?

    She is considering canceling her LSAT score in December 11 and retaking the LSAT in February or June. Would she have a good chance applying to UM with a February LSAT?

    I really want to give her the best advice possible as she really wants to become a lawyer and is starting to get depressed because of her LSAT scores. Thank you,

    Ricardo

    • Hi Ricardo,
      Thanks for writing.
      Your wife sounds amazing but she is looking at the wrong schools – she needs to focus on FIU, Nova, etc.
      The University of Miami has more Hispanic students than any other law school in the continental U.S. so her impressive background is not going to be enough to compete at UM (or UF) if the LSAT score comes back in the range where she is testing. However, if she has taken prep courses and has been studying for six months, this score band is probably the right range for her aptitude on the test. I don’t think putting things off until February is advisable – she is unlikely to see a real change in her testing and would be applying too late in the cycle to be competitive for Fall 2011.
      Ann

  102. Joe A. on said:

    Hi Ann,

    Based on your experience, what should we make of a decent low LSAT score and the probability of success at both law school and passing the BAR? Is there any inferences we should draw from that relationship?

    • Hi Joe,
      LSAC’s researc
      h says the following:
      The combination of LSAT score and UGPA is a useful predictor of academic
      performance in the first year of law school. The average multiple correlation between
      FYA in law school and the combined predictors of LSAT score and UGPA is 0.46 for
      both 2007 and 2008 study years. This value is high, and it is similar to multiple
      correlation coefficients reported for previous correlation study years. As has always
      been the case, these combined predictors continue to be superior to either predictor
      alone for predicting FYA.
      • LSAT score alone continues to be a better predictor of law school performance.

      Also, according to LSAC, LSAT and GPA were the two indicators most likely to predict ability to pass the bar exam:
      compared to UGPA alone.

  103. Meg Corley on said:

    Ann,
    I have taken a Kaplan course but continue to score in the 140 range. I am URM (African American) GPA of 3.3 great resume more then 5 years of work experience since college. Have to had to overcome many obstacles and made sure my personal statement and addendums reflected that. I have a documented Learning disability, but was denied by LSAC since I did not request accomodations on the SAT and because I have an average IQ. I was not diagnosed with a LD until I was 22years old. Iwon first-ever America Online Innvator award/scholarship for organization I founded. I have already applied to schools I think are in my range. I take the LSAT on the 11th. Are they any schools out there will accept a candidate like me?
    I have applied to Chapman, Whitter, Seattle Univ just to name a few. Thank you for your advice.

    • Hi Meg,
      Let’s see what your LSAT score turns out to be and then we can talk – there’s a big difference between a 140 and a 148. I am not going to lie – being African American is going to help – a lot. But your personal statement, resume and LORs have to be amazing. And of course it also depends on your personal story – there are a lot of factors.
      This week, just worry about the LSAT. Since you’ve already applied there’s not a lot I can do for you, and there’s not a lot of advice I can give that would be constructive at this point. You’ll just have to wait and see what happens.
      Ann

  104. Meg Corley on said:

    Ann,

    Thank you for your input. My main focus is the LSAT this week and will hold off on applying to anymore schools. I will likely be using your services and will contact you once I take the LSAT.

    Thank you!

    Meg

  105. Angela on said:

    Hi-
    The LSATs are coming up this week, and it’s a top priority in my mind. I’m afraid I will not score well on the test, but have a UGPA of 3.85 from DU (with honors in both majors- psych and comm), and have a 4.0 in the grad program I am halfway through at the same school.
    I’m not a fan of elitist, competitive environments, but am a fan of private schools. I expect (rather pray) to get a 150, so I am curious if there are schools that will accept these numbers with any scholarship/fellowship opportunities?
    Thanks,
    Angela
    p.s. I am a non-trad student.

    • Hi Angela,
      I think you will get into some law schools with a 150, but you probably won’t be in scholarship range at many. One you have your score, contact me and we’ll see what the possibilities might be. Good luck this weekend!

  106. Hi Anne,
    I am an African American female who has spent the last six months studying for the lsat. I took the powerscore prep course and I am able to answer a majority of the questions correctly but I’m not fast enough on the sections. My score is right now between 144-146 on practice tests and I am scheduled to take the December lsat. I’m thinking of applying to Howard, Western New England and North Carolina central. I was also considering applying as part time at westen New England since their lsat requirements are lower and then switching to full time if accepted. If all else fails I will simply do practice tests for the next six months and take the June lsat and apply for 2012. Do you think this is advisible?

    Thank you for your advice

    • Hi Mary, take the test this weekend and try applying to those schools. Apply no later than mid-January. See what happens. If you don’t get in, then you can decide to re-address your study methods and take the LSAT next October for Fall 2012 admission. Good luck!

  107. Alaska on said:

    Hi Ann,
    I must say that I have been reading your website for the last hour and it has really been helpful. I like so many other contributors on this blog are in the predicament where we don’t have solid Undergraduate GPA (2.0) but I have a graduate degree in Engineering with a 3.8, go figure. I took the October LSATs and received a 133, much to my horror when I saw the PDF scan of my file I noticed that I had basically left off a whole 10 answers, they were abcolutely blank. So, I am re-taking the LSATs in December, this Saturday in order to receive a justified score. I have already applied to one of my schools, which is a Tier 4 school because they said that they would hold off making a final decision until after my latest score is calculated. I guess that I am a bit nervous seeing as how I made a 133 and I didn’t even answer 10 of the questions…Considering was it a mistake to follow the admissions officer’s suggestion and apply while waiting for my score. By the way this is for the Fall 2011 in coming class.

    • Hi Alaska,
      Right now, just think about this week’s test and do your best. Hopefully you’ve been preparing and you’ll get a score more in line with your aptitude on the test. Once you know your score, update the school with an addendum to explain why the second score is a more accurate measure of your abilities. Good luck!

  108. Hello,

    I scored a 149 on the December LSAT, and the games section is what is mainly holding me back from a great score (I missed about 17 questions from a total of 23). I have an excellent GPA and am planning on re-taking in June. Do you have any tips for prep?

  109. Ashley on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I’ve been reading your blog after i recieved my LSAT score of 146 for the December adminstration. I took it in October but decided to cancel it. I studied for over 6 months all together for three hours everyday and I really think I did the best I could last month. I unfournately also have a 2.7 GPA ( even though I did make Dean’s List my last semster) for my undergrad even though it is for a social work degree but I truly want to be a lawyer. I have been working in my field for two years now and have a lot of extracurriclar activities while I was in college and community service. I am very flexible when it comes to school choices but I would love to be somwhere in Boston. My question to you is there any chance of me being accepted into a law school for fall?

  110. Samantha on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I have two LSAT scores. 142, 145 and a 2.8 GPA from a top 4 University of California. Lower GPA is due to a major I did not excel in. I changed majors halfway through undergrad. I struggle very much with standardized tests. I think I have a compelling personal statement. What are some schools in California Northern or Southern that I could have a shot at? I currently have a full time job and would be open to a part time program especially because the requirements are more lax. What are your thoughts on USF part time? Thank you so much.

  111. Madison on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I took the Dec 2010 LSAT and scored a 146. My undergrad GPA was a 3.0 from UCLA. As a full time undergrad student, I had always worked. Especially during my 3rd and 4th years (2 jobs – 1 full time and 1 part time, also completed several legal internships). Since graduation (June 2010) I have been working for the county’s superior courts. Do I have a shot with getting into law school?

    Thanks

  112. Madison on said:

    Sorry about this 3rd post…. The schools i have applied to are: Thomas Jefferson, Arizona State Univ., Phoenix School of Law, Depaul Univ., Univ. of Denver, Seattle Uni., Univ. of Colorado, Syracuse Univ., Chicago – Kent, Loyola Univ. Chicago, and Brooklyn Law School. Any chance at one of these law schools?

  113. Hi Ann,

    I scored a 147 on my LSAT and have a GPA of 3.36, I really want to stay in California for school. Do you think this would be enough to get into a law school here or would you advise me to take Feb test and try for a school with a March deadline?

    • Zac, the February LSAT will get you nowhere. It’s too late. “Deadlines” aren’t what matters – by March a law school has filled its class. I think it’s possible for you to get into a California school if you have other great stuff going for you. I suggest Plan A (Apply now -ASAP) and Plan B (If unhappy with results, regroup, reassess, and reapply early in the Fall 2012 cycle).

  114. To everyone reading this post – please accept my apology if you posted a comment in the last week and I did not answer it. It became a bit overwhelming! Please read through all of the comments to this post and if your question still isn’t answered, please re-post or email me separately and I’ll post a response when I can.
    Thanks for understanding!

  115. Ashley, I’ve had clients in the mid 140’s admitted to New England and Western New England, but their grades were really strong. You can’t retake the LSAT right now, and you’ve already tried your best, so just apply and see what happens – or apply early for Fall 2012 when law schools haven’t yet filled their classes.
    Good luck!

  116. Rasheedah on said:

    Hi I scored A 134, i know I am not a great test taker at all. ive taken it twice and it has not advance. my gpa however is a 3.36 I know I probably wont be getting into law school.

  117. Hello Ms. Levine,

    I am so stressed! My gpa is a 3.65 and I just received a 136 on my lsat after studying and practicing since last May (every practice test I took was between 134-141). I assume that this is about the best I can do on this test. I am applying to CUNY Law, New York Law School, and Brooklyn Law. Do I have any chances in getting into one of them? I am currently working in the New York State Senate and have experience working for Senator Clinton, and I am also involved in community service. Will seeing this information along with my GPA allow me a chance in one of these schools? Please let me know by email if you can. Thank you!

    Miriam

    • Miriam, The only way to know is to try. You have great soft factors and CUNY might love your community service since that’s what they are all about. Give it a shot and if it doesn’t work out, then try applying early for Fall 2012, and we can talk about Plan B if Plan A doesn’t work.

  118. Michelle R on said:

    Hi Ann!

    I took the LSAT twice (145 and 147 scores). The first time I was a wreck and the second time I was completely fine/ready for it. Needless to say, tests are not my strong point. I went to one college for 2 years and left with a 3.9 GPA and went to a better/tougher school and graduated with a 3.4 GPA. I decided against applying and work at a great huge, firm in Boston and will be for the next year and a half (2 year contract). With these numbers and my work experience/recommendations from partners, can I get into law school? I’m looking in Boston and Chicago mainly. I’d love to go to Suffolk or DePaul but I’m very nervous about applying. Re-taking the LSAT is a waste for me I feel since I did under two different circumstances with taking a prep course. Any comments would really help, thanks!!

  119. Michelle R on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I am under contract at the firm I work for and planning on leaving the firm in the summer of 2012 so I would be applying for Fall 2012.

  120. Angela on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I have a 3.7 GPA and a145 LSAT that I received June 2010. I think i was so demoralized by this score that I just though that it would be pointless to retake it, especially since I’d taken 2 months off work to study and got no where. I took a Princeton review course that I dropped out of because my score hovered at 145-150 with no improvement. The diagnosis for this low score according to my tutor was that I didn’t believe in myself.

    I’m not entirely certain how to overcome this obstacle and don’t see how retaking the lsat with this mental handicapp will be worthwhile. Therefore, I just wanted to apply to law schools anyway–Golden Gate University in San Francisco and McGeorge Law School in Sacramento.

    I was also interested in transferring (if I did really well) to another school but after reading some of the responses you gave others, it would appear that transferring either to a Top 25 or 10 would not be entirely feasible coming from a T4 school.

    Is it worth it to retake the lsat, and if so, how do I overcome this crippling lack of belief in myself?

    • Angela,
      Your tutor is right. You haven’t tried. You gave up before you even started. You need to jump in with two feet and really prepare for the LSAT. If you fail then, at least you’ll know it wasn’t for lack of trying. Right now, you’re rejecting yourself from law school.

  121. Hey Ann!

    My October 2010 LSAT score was a 148 and my Decemeber 2010 score came to a 147 :( I am a double business major and my GPA is a 3.45. I applied to schools I know I wouldn’t get into (Temple, Villanova, and Brooklyn), but I also applied to Syracuse, NYLS, and Widener. At this point, my first choice is Widener- do I have any chance?

    Also, I did my online video with NYLS but I read somewhere on the NYLS website that they take letters after the application process regarding your sincere interest in attending the school. Do you think that this type of letter would sound too desperate to the admissions committee- especially with my low LSAT scores?

    Thank You! Your site is great!

  122. Hello Ms. Levine,

    I received a 148 on my LSAT and then a 146. I am limited to applying to Chicago law schools Depaul, Loyola, Kent, John Marshall, I had a 3.3 uG GPA, I am of Cuban/Chinese decent, and have been working full time at my current career for over 2 years, I am 24 years old. I am applying for Fall 2011 and in the future if I dont get in, do i have a shot?

    • John,
      If you don’t get in this year, of course you will have a shot in the future. You may need to re-evaluate your application package and how you are presenting yourself to the schools, and you may need to try the LSAT again under different circumstances, but reapplying (by itself) is not a hopeless thing. Lots of people get into law schools where they were previously denied admission.

  123. I’m not trying to be one of those top-law-school posters who tell you to give up if you’ve got anything under a 167. However, these days its almost essential to get a score 155 or higher if you want money at even a fourth tier school. Paying full sticker go to a school where the average starting salary is 40-50k when you’ve got over 150k in debt (more if you have undergrad debt) just isn’t a good life choice. And I hate to say it, but the LSAT is meant to gage future success on the BAR (a much harder test). Of course the LSAT isn’t a final commentary on your intelligence, but it is meant to give you a taste of what law school is like.

  124. Stephanie on said:

    Hi Ann,

    Just want to know what”s your take on this matter. Registered to thake the LSAT 4 yimes, but was a “no-show” on the February exam, took the June and October 2010 exam, and just recently took the February exam. Each completed exam netted horrible scores – in the low 130s because I did not take advantage of any private tutoring courses, just studied vigorously at home between work, and househod duties. I am recently divorced and am not your traditional student – having worked for many years in the court system as legal advocate for disadvantaged families and children. I completed my undergraduate work from a prestigious Ivy League school with a cumulative GPA of 3.26. I have appeared before many judges and worked with many attorneys on both sides. I have recommendations from an appellate court judge and 2 supreme court judges who agree that i have the acumen necessary to do exceptionally well in law school and in the legal profession. My scores tell a different storyy however. So here’s the question: should I retake the exam (does the no-show count as a 4th try?) in October and apply for entry in fall 2012? And, should I be aiming high for admission to one of top 4 schools inthe country? I read somewhere that you would not take on a client with scores as low as mine, but I believe my personal, professional, and academic background not only uniquely qualifies me for a spot at Harvard or Yale, but may also qualify me as a client worthy of your services. Please let me know what you think I should do with regard to the existing scores (keep them or retake the exam), and whether you think I have a shot at law school at all. Thank you.

    • Hi Stephanie,
      you posted under another subject. I think you’re not being realistic about your prospects. I love that you went to an Ivy League for undergrad and that you’ve been working in the legal field, but it’s going to be really hard to make a case for admission to law school with those scores.

  125. Respected Ma’am,

    I was born and raised in India and took LSAT two times earlier & got the same score each time(131).
    I have aaccounting and a law degree from India. I was practicing law as junior lawyer India. Right now I am into a paralegal course (Bachelor of legat studies in TN, USA) i. And my current GPA is 4.0. Just wanted to know, how many attempts in LSAT is allowed.
    I am applying for Fall 2011 and in the future if I dont get in, do i have a chance?

  126. Respected Ma’am,

    I was born and raised in India and took LSAT two times earlier & got the same score each time(131).
    I have aaccounting and a law degree from India. I was practicing law as junior lawyer India. Right now I am into a paralegal course (Bachelor of legat studies in TN, USA) i. And my current GPA is 4.0. Just wanted to know, how many attempts in LSAT is allowed.
    Do I have a chance to get in a law school in knoxville, TN?

    • Pearl, you may take the LSAT three times in a two year period. If you do take the LSAT again, please make sure you prepare adequately and you are seeing an improvement in your practice exam scores before taking the real thing.

  127. Matt on said:

    Hello, I have 7 years of paralegal experience including 1 year at a Top 100 firm in DC. I went to a private university and have a 3.2 GPA. I worked all throughout undergraduate. I am not a great test taker, however, I have so much experience with litigation and transactional law, including trial preparation that I am confident I will be a great lawyer. I also speak 4 languages; english, spanish, french and arabic. I am a minority as well.

    My first lsat score was 136 and the second was 137.

    Help?

    • Hi Matt, I love that you have this great legal experience, the languages, and that you are a URM. However, I think your LSAT history is going to keep you out of law school, and it may be a good indicator that you would struggle with the bar exam.

  128. Matt on said:

    Thanks for your response Ann, however, I disagree in your conclusion that I would struggle with the bar because unlike the LSAT, the bar is something that you study for 3 years. Memorization. The LSAT are skills in highly complex problems that would not take a lawyer 1 min and 25 seconds to resolve.

    Your answer gives no hope at all to someone in my situation. Are you implying there is literally no hope at all? and my LSAT scores will indeed keep me out of law school? Geez, that’s a little harsh considering I have one more shot to take it. Its 3 times in one year. I’ve taken it twice.

  129. Matt on said:

    Thanks for your response Ann, however, I disagree in your conclusion that I would struggle with the bar because unlike the LSAT, the bar is something that you study for 3 years. Memorization. The LSAT are skills in highly complex problems that would not take a lawyer 1 min and 25 seconds to resolve.

    Your answer gives no hope at all to someone in my situation. Are you implying there is literally no hope at all? and my LSAT scores will indeed keep me out of law school? Geez, that’s a little harsh considering I have one more shot to take it. Its 3 times in one year. I’ve taken it twice.

    Any helpful suggestions are welcomed.

  130. Matt on said:

    Thanks for your response Ann, however, I disagree in your conclusion that I would struggle with the bar because unlike the LSAT, the bar is something that you study for 3 years. Memorization. The LSAT are skills in highly complex problems that would not take a lawyer 1 min and 25 seconds to resolve.

    Your answer gives no hope at all to someone in my situation. Are you implying there is literally no hope at all? and my LSAT scores will indeed keep me out of law school? Geez, that’s a little harsh considering I have one more shot to take it. Its 3 times in one year. I’ve taken it twice.

    Any helpful suggestions are welcomed.

  131. Matt on said:

    Thanks for your response Ann, however, I disagree in your conclusion that I would struggle with the bar because unlike the LSAT, the bar is something that you study for 3 years. Memorization. The LSAT are skills in highly complex problems that would not take a lawyer 1 min and 25 seconds to resolve.

    Your answer gives no hope at all to someone in my situation. Are you implying there is literally no hope at all? and my LSAT scores will indeed keep me out of law school? Geez, that’s a little harsh considering I have one more shot to take it. Its 3 times in one year. I’ve taken it twice.

    Any helpful suggestions are welcomed.

  132. Matt on said:

    Thanks for your response Ann, however, I disagree in your conclusion that I would struggle with the bar because unlike the LSAT, the bar is something that you study for 3 years. Memorization. The LSAT are skills in highly complex problems that would not take a lawyer 1 min and 25 seconds to resolve.

    Your answer gives no hope at all to someone in my situation. Are you implying there is literally no hope at all? and my LSAT scores will indeed keep me out of law school? Geez, that’s a little harsh considering I have one more shot to take it. Its 3 times in one year. I’ve taken it twice.

    Any helpful suggestions are welcomed.

  133. Matt, I’m not sure why your comment posted so many times. I know my answer isn’t what you wanted to hear. You did not mention the dates of your LSAT or that you were wanting advice about whether to take it again – I thought you were asking me whether you would be admitted with those scores. A less honest person would give you more hope. I do not think you would necessarily struggle with the bar exam, but statistics show a strong correlation between very low LSAT scores and people who do not pass the bar. Statistics do not apply to everyone, but you wrote to me for my opinion and I did give you what I could in the confines of the little bit of information you gave me and within the brief blog format. I’m not saying it’s impossible for you to go to law school, but I do think it’s not going to happen with a 136 and 137. I would be doing you a huge disservice to tell you otherwise, no matter how much I personally felt you might succeed once admitted or what other traits you bring to the table.
    I do wish you the best of luck, and I know that it seems harsh. It’s not fun for me to give this advice – but if you read the thread you will see that this is why people post here.
    And you can take the LSAT 3 times in 2 years, so your plan is to retake it, I urge you to look into working with a good prep company and/or tutor depending on your budget. I would be happy to make recommendations, or you can search my blog and look through the category: LSAT Prep.

  134. Lana on said:

    Hi Ann,
    I took the LSAT 2 times. I got a 134 the first time and a 141 the second time. I really expected to get a better score the second time cause I practiced with a private tutor and was actually doing really well. I have a gpa from a cuny school of 2.93. I would like to know what are the chances of me getting into law schools in NYC.

    • Lana, how were you doing on practice tests?
      The fact that you worked while going to school will help the fact that your grades are low, but then you really need the LSAT to bring up your GPA. A GPA below 3.0 and an LSAT below 150 is hard in the NY area.

  135. Lana on said:

    I also wanted to say that I have been working as a paralegal for almost 3 yrs. I worked full time and went to school full time. So will my experience help me even though my LSAT score and gpa bring me down?

  136. Lauren on said:

    I took a practice LSAT and got a 142. I’m looking at schools in the NY/NJ area and I am aware I need at least another 20 points if I want to be accepted. I am new to the LSAT world and I have had no prepartation yet. I’m freaking out that my score is so low. Is it at all possible to make my target range? My GPA is currently 3.88 and I’m currently a student in college.

    • Hi Lauren – you don’t need 20 points (although that would be great!). There are wonderful LSAT prep programs in your area. Look up LSAT Prep on my blog. Your GPA is great and I think you have wonderful potential to bring up your score with adequate preparation.

  137. Lana on said:

    On ny first practice test I got a 135 but then I was improving steadily and on my last practice test I scored a 152.

    Do u think there us any point in applying to schools at this point. I was planning to apply to the part time programs only though. Do u think that’s a good idea

  138. Lana, you have potential to do very well so I think you need to wait and take the LSAT, hopefully getting your scores up and more consistent, and apply early for the Fall 2012 cycle.

  139. Jennifer on said:

    Hi Ann, I like your blog. I took the February LSAT (for the first time) and only scored a 138. I have an overall GPA of 3.1, but major undergrad GPA is 3.6. I am currently in grad school and will finish in August; I currently have a 4.0. In addition, I worked for 3 years as Sales Manager between undergrad and grad school. I am considering moderately competitive schools for Fall 2011 admission. Should I move forward with my application considering this information? Thanks for your insight.

    • Hi Jennifer. I’m glad you like the blog. You really need to prepare for the LSAT and retake it in June or October, then apply to law school once your LSAT is in a range that schools will accept. There’s lots of advice on the blog about what you can do, prep programs, etc. Let us know if you have any questions.

  140. Matt on said:

    Hi Ann, sorry about that. My internet froze and posted my comment several times.

    I am wondering if you have any stories of students who have posted on this blog with a low LSAT score in the 137 range and up, but with extensive experience in law or other factors that favor them, and if any have actually applied and been accepted to an ABA accredited law school.

    Can you share those cases, if any?? Anyone?

  141. Matt on said:

    p.s. I took the LSAT dec 2010 and feb 2011.

    I am working at a law firm that is ranked at 36 in the USA and welll known internationally so I’m hoping that will make an impact.

    I have great letters of recommendation and an offer with a firm if I ever do get accepted to any law schools.

    Because I have to work so much to sustain a living, I don’t get much time to dedicate to the LSAT. its not an excuse, its just the truth. I work over 60 hours a week, including weekends.

    I applied to 3 schools for 2011, I will let keep you updated.

  142. Heart on said:

    Hello Ann,
    I have a 3.23 GPA undergrad, and scored a 146 on the LSAT. I’m in 2 Honor Societies. I am Korean American. I’ve worked part time all throughout college. I am currently working as a legal secretary at a law office. I don’t think I will take the LSAT again. What are my chances at CUNY or touro law?

    • Heart, It’s not out of the question, particularly if you’re an early applicant with strong materials. CUNY is really public interest based so you would need to show that’s your intended area of practice to be considered there.

  143. Heart on said:

    I have one more question. I read that you’ve suggested not to apply later than February. Does it matter if the school’s deadline is in July or August?
    Thank you for your attention.

    • Heart,
      I don’t care when a school says the deadline is – it’s too late to apply, especially for people posting on my “When is a Low LSAT Score Too Low” post ; )
      At that point, schools have already admitted people with higher numbers, they already have people with higher numbers who have sent in seat deposits and committed to attending – there’s no incentive for a school to make room for someone whose numbers are low. Sorry to deliver the bad news!

  144. Alecia on said:

    I am currently in grad school at Roosevelt Univ (Chicago) and maintain a 3.9 GPA working toward an MPA. I received my undergrad degree from Belmont Univ in Nashville, TN and graduated with a 3.57 with a BA in political science and journalism. My LSAT score was a 138. I applied with several schools and received call backs before my LSAT score came in…and even interviewed with U of C, I know my LSAT score was the issue. I am contemplating taking it again but realistically am not sure how much of a point increase I can make and am not financially able to afford a prep course. What can I do?I have the grades, accomplishments, extracurrics, rec letters, what can I do to improve my score?

    • Alecia,
      There are a lot of affordable LSAT prep options. If you want to go to law school, you need to find a way to make the investment. Look through my blog category on LSAT Prep, and you will find some options that are just a few hundred dollars.

  145. Hey Ann,

    I am a 22 year old African American female with a 3.3 UGPA. I travel often and took my first LSAT while studying abroad-big mistake. My family and I weren’t ready to throw in the towel after receiving a 142, (considering this has been my dream since I was 12!) so I retook the exam in February. I don’t think I gave myself the adequate amount of preparation either time, regardless I received the same score :/
    I am graduating from a NY school (St. Johns U) with the hopes of attending law school in California. Although, I don’t have much faith in my apps because of my consecutive LSATs I would like to get into Santa Clara or San Diego.

    (Considering my odds of admittance) I plan on getting a private tutor to help me prepare for the October LSAT, but I was just wondering if you have any advice? Do you think I even have a shot at these schools? (I appreciate complete honesty!)

    Also, if I were to get into a lower ranked school (especially through the AAMPLE program) would you suggest going to another school outside of California and then transferring to Santa Clara? I’m curious about the AAMPLE program b/c if I did get in to the school I doubt I’d have to time to properly prepare for the October LSAT…and that’s IF I even get in!

    P.s. my reasoning for attending a Cali school is so I will be best prepared for the Cali Bar Exam, b/c this is where I would like to practice. Do you think this is best or even necessary?

    • Hi KN, I want to answer your last question first: You prepare for the bar exam by taking a bar review course for/in that state. I went to law school in Florida but did not take that bar – I took Colorado and California (and passed both on the first time). You learn for the bar before you take the bar. Although some schools in California offer special bar prep for their students during the 2L and 3L years (like California Western) it is not necessary to go to law school in California to be prepared for the bar there.
      The second issue is your 142. Yes, you should try again with a good tutor and apply in the fall for Fall 2012. If you even got up to the mid-140s, given your diversity, I think you would have a shot at some schools but they won’t be Santa Clara or USD in all likelihood. Those are great reach schools for you to include, but you’re going to have to cast a wider net than that. Right now, worry about the LSAT and then worry about schools.

  146. Hi Ann, a few posts ago you posted a link for conditional admissions programs that are offered at various law schools. What does conditional admission mean?

  147. Dear Ann,
    I would like to apply to law school in the central to south Florida region. I have my eye on FIU, where I received my undergrad degree. I have an LSAT score of 146 and GPA of 3.73. I would need to be a part time student due to my financial responsibilities. I know that being hispanic isn’t going to help me much down here in Florida, so I was wondering what your advice is for me? When preparing for the LSAT I was pretty consistent with my score in practice tests, so I’m not sure if it’s worth taking it again (I only taken it once). Or if I a chance at getting accepted for fall 2012 and should just focus on that instead. From reading your blog, it’s it seems to be too late to apply for fall 2011. And probably even less of a chance with my score. Do I have a chance at FIU or any other 3 tier school in Florida? What is your opinion of FIU Law from what you know about this “young” law school program?

    Thank you in advance for any help you can provide.

    • Hi Lucy, you have evaluated yourself with candor, which I really appreciate. FIU sounds like the right school for you. I don’t know how their applications are looking this year. I suppose you could try to apply now but it really seems too late to have this work to your advantage. I also wonder why you have waited until this point in the cycle to apply.
      Your GPA is strong and if your application materials are strong you might have a chance. If you really prepared for the LSAT properly and the 146 is consistent with that, then I hate to tell you to take it again. But if you could’ve put more into the preparation then I think waiting, retaking the LSAT, and applying in the fall is the better strategy.

  148. Jessica on said:

    I graduated in 2008 with a 3.93 GPA in paralegal studies (bachelor’s degree), but had transfered schools as well as received college credit while in high school, so my cummulative GPA is 3.79. I received numerous awards in college (dean’s list, who’s who among students in american universities and colleges (twice), student of the month, etc.) I have been working as a paralegal for 3 years now and worked as an errand person as well as interned at a law firm while obtaining my degree – so I have about 5 1/2 years experience in the law firm setting. I have taken the LSAT once, and scored a 143 – could possibly score higher as I had major anxiety regarding the test (I went into it with the approach of “this is my only chance”). I have been accepted into 4 of the 7 schools I applied to, was invited to 2 summer screening programs (one of these schools being my top choice as it’s in my home state), and have yet to hear back from 1.

    My husband has taken the LSAT as well, and we would like to attend law school together, however, he was not accepted into either of the two MN schools that I was accepted into – the two we had our eyes on (our third and fourth choices). He was, however, accepted into one of the same summer screening programs that I was accepted into (our home state). We are considering taking the LSAT again and re-applying to our top choice (our home state – the school which both of us were invited to the summer screening program) as we cannot afford to attend the summer screening program and cannot afford the chance of not getting in after taking 6 weeks off from work, etc.

    I am wondering: (1) are we likely to get into the school which we were invited to the summer screening to “off the bat” if we retake the LSAT and apply early next year (we applied a week before closing, and I halfway wonder if that had something to do with us not getting accepting)?; (2) do we need to retake the LSAT if we were invited to the summer screening, since applying late last year possibly played a role in us not getting in out-right (maybe applying early next year is good enough?; (3) if we do re-apply, do we submit the same letters of recommendation, or do we need new ones?; (4) is it looked down upon by schools if I am accepted this year and don’t go, but apply again the following year? For example, the MN schools that I was accepted into – both decent T2 schools. If we don’t get accepted into our home state, we have considered just me going to law school, but I wasn’t sure how schools view someone applying twice when they’ve already been accepted the first time and didn’t go.

    Thank you for your time.

    • Hi Jessica,
      I have one question that you didn’t ask and then I’ll answer the rest – can you and your husband afford to both go to law school at the same time? If you can’t afford the summer programs this definitely raises the question for me.
      You need clear information from the summer programs about how many people get in- it is not necessarily “likely” that you’ll be admitted. If you raise your LSAT score and apply early next year, that’s probably the better plan. You can use the same LORs (assuming they were good ones from the right kinds of people!). It’s ok to reapply next year. I’m pretty amazed with where you’ve been accepted given your LSAT score. Why don’t you start this year and have your husband take the LSAT again? You don’t have to graduate at the same time, right? If you choose not to attend this year then call the schools and tell them your husband is also applying so ask if your admission can be deferred one year.

  149. Jessica on said:

    Ann,

    Maybe you have a different page you’d rather I blog my situation, but I thought I’d stay on this page since my last posts were here. First, thank you for your response. I actually found a link on your website of a story pertaining to a gentleman that attended law school on loans. After reading his story, my husband and I are second guessing the MN schools as they are three times more expensive than our home state school. We are leaning toward taking the LSAT again and reapply for the following year. We are both from middle-class families and paid for our undergrad on our own (still paying on the loans, actually). We would be putting ourselves through law school on loans as well, so that’s how we’ve come up with our decision – or at least why we are leaning toward waiting a year and hopefully getting into home state. My husband did end up getting into one of the MN schools as well, however, due to his lower GPA they have certain requirements that he would need to meet during the school year – if we attend. Basically, I have one more question: How do people like us put themselves through law school without scholarships? We are first-generation college students, but it seems like 99% of scholarships available from schools are to students that will bring “diversity” to the school. Because you are right, paying back these loans is our primary concern…

  150. Justin on said:

    Hey Anne!

    I stumbled upon your blog and love your honesty. Here is my situation. Dual Major Undergrad, 3.14 GPA. Slacked off sophomore year, but my trend is good, as I have a 4.0 for the last 3 semesters straight. I’ve only taken the LSAT once, in February of this year, and scored a 159. That score was well below my practice tests (avg. 162) but I probably won’t retake it. At this point, Fall 2011 admissions is unrealistic and I know it, so I am thinking ahead. Now, I have serious financial responsibility coming into this as a non-traditional with a mortgage and average undergrad-related debt, so grants and scholarships are VERY important to me. Although I have worked full time since I graduated from high school and all the way through college, I am hoping to be able to receive enough financial assistance to intern (paid or unpaid) and take classes only, leaving plenty of time for law school extra-curriculars (moot, law review, etc) without the burden of employment.

    With this in mind, in your opinion, what tier schools would I have a good shot at financial assistance like this?

    I live in MI so T.M. Cooley has already offered me an 85% scholarship and would consider giving me a full ride, which is very, very tempting, but I’m hoping to get 50% offers elsewhere. Am I crazy?

    Also, do you think I should even apply to any T24 or even T50 schools, realistically? (those $60-75 app fees are going to kill me!)

    You can just reply, or email me if you want. Thanks in advance for any advice!

    PS. My top school is University of North Carolina…

    • Hi Justin,
      I’m glad you’re thinking about scholarships. I think you’ll have lots of options for scholarships in the “bottom 100″ so don’t pick Cooley just because. Try Michigan State – you’d be in state and probably a great scholarship candidate too.
      UNC is a reach school with your numbers and there won’t be any scholarships there….

  151. Hello,
    Ok. I’m not going to give you a long autobiography. Just the facts:
    1) Took the LSAT twice. 147 then 141
    2) Took the Princeton Review prep-course about 7 months before taking it the first time
    3) Graduated with a BS in Journalism & Mass Communication 3.23 GPA a few weeks ago
    4) Decided “late in the game” that I wanted to attend law school

    Now onto my questions:
    1) Should I just give up now?
    2) If the answer to the previous question is “no”, then what are chances? What are my options?

    Thanks!

    • Ati, the answer is “no.” However:
      1) you’ll be applying to regional law schools
      2) you will need to explain the drop in LSAT score
      3) you should consider retaking and doing a different kind of prep course, perhaps an online tutorial or private tutor depending on your budget, and take the LSAT in October.
      I hope this helps.

  152. Josh on said:

    Hi Anne,

    I graduated from a large state school in North Carolina with a 3.18 in Poly Sci, concentration Pre-Law. I have experience in the Army and I worked 20 to 25 hours a week during school. However, I bombed the lsat and got a 148 after consistently scoring in the mid 150s on practice tests. Should I re-take the test to have any prayer at a Tier-2 school?

  153. Lisa Smith on said:

    Hello,

    I’ve been studying for the LSAT (seems like forever) for about two years. I took the exam three times (140, 137, canceled and will be canceling). My GPA is very low, 2.7 to be exact. I already know that I can’t get into any schools with this score and below average GPA. My question is, would it benefit me to attend graduate school and increase my GPA, and then re-take the LSAT. The problem is, debt and more debt. What do you suggest? I’ve tried everything. My recent practice scores have been 146, 147, 149, 154, and 152. Should i invest in a tutor? I took Princeton Review 2x and Powerscore 1x (prep courses). I know you cant endorse any prep courses, but, what prep course would you recommend? Or, which prep company would you recommend that I seek tutoring from? Please HELP!

  154. Dear Anne,
    I stupidly took the LSAT last year without being prepared. I didn’t have time to withdraw the registration so I chose to take it (instead of taking an Absent) but cancel. Since then I’ve studied a lot and taken 7 timed practice tests averaging a 164. On the June LSAT, I developed a headache after the break and I completely choked on the last RC section and ended up guessing on 75% of the questions. I’m definitely re-taking in October, but should I cancel again or take a low score? I feel that cancelling twice looks horrible. I have a 3.6 GPA and a lot of time this summer to study.

    Thank you so much for your time.

    • Lee, if you think you did ok this time around then keep the score so you have a baseline before your last chance to take the test. That removes some of the pressure from October because at least (hopefully) you’d be able to go somewhere if you (G-d Forbid!) got the flu in October.

  155. *cancelled

    I forgot to mention that I have a high upward trend in terms of GPA. I made a 2.8 freshman year but maintained straight 4.0’s since then graduating with a double major in Sociology and Government and two other minors. I’m shooting for T20-T50 (w/ some scholarship $).

  156. Nicky on said:

    I’ve been studying for the LSAT for over two years. I have taken the exam twice with dismal results (140 & 142). At what point should someone walk away? I’m starting to think maybe this is not for me, even though I’ve had an extreme passion for law since I was a kid. I literally followed the legal trail since I was in high school. I went to a law and engineering middle school; I majored in paralegal in high school; and I graduated from a school that specializes in criminal justice. Without boring you any further, how long should one study for this exam? I’ve been studying consistently for the past nine months. Please let me know your thoughts.

    • Nicky,
      I think first you try to get into law school and if you don’t then you look at other ways you can help people through law – as a probation officer, in the correction system, as a paralegal or investigator, etc.

  157. Dave Streett on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I am confused. My passion is writing and when I graduated from Pitt I thought the full time newspaper positions would come pouring in. Man was I naive. I have been pondering law school with Pitt being my dream. However I graduated with only a 2.7 qpa, but I made the dean’s list my entire junior and senior years, so you can imagine how low my gpa was after my soph year. I did score a 162 on the Lsat, so is my decent score going to out weigh my low gpa, and do they take into account my gpa in English my major which was a 3.5. I don’t want to make the 100k investment if I can only get into a t3 or t4 school unless I can get a scholarship. Is that possible with my numbers??. please help thank you so much…

    • Dave,
      You’ve already invested in the LSAT, I think you need to take things out for a spin and pick a few schools you would like to attend and apply. Once you know for sure where you would be able to attend and how much it will cost, you can make a decision about whether it’s worthwhile for you to go forward.

  158. stanley livingston on said:

    Hi,
    I have a 129 LSAT score with a 2.7 GPA. I have applied to an evening program at the program in the Milwaukee, WI area.
    What are my chances? It was my first time taking the LSAT with intend to begin Fall 2011. Due to my full time job and forecasting schedules change, relocation of about 45mins out from Marquette University coming in the next year. It’s a delicate situation. If not admitted directly, what should I do?

  159. Hi Ann,
    I have a 3.0 undergrad gpa at a top 100 university and a mba in finance (3.8 gpa) at a top 50 b-school. I took the lsat twice in 2009 and only scored a 147 and 149 (I didn’t study, I know..). I am preparing like crazy for the October LSAT and hope to score at least a 160 – more towards a 165. My question is how will law schools look at my low lsat from over 2 years ago? I have also been working fulltime since my undergrad years and can attribute the low GPA to working, personal issues, and interning all at the same time. Hopefully my mba gpa and a higher lsat help me redeem myself for a t14 (even georgetown part time) – but how likely do you think this is? Am I being unrealistic? Will my undergrad gpa and lsat from two years ago ultimately haunt me?

    • Kim, you’ll need an LSAT addendum but if you can’ pull it off it will absolutely pay off!!!! I think T14 might be unrealistic with your UGPA but if your application is strong I don’t count you out. Keep plugging away at the LSAT!

  160. Hi Anne,

    I am a senior at the University of Louisville, and I am about to apply to law school in Octeober. I have a 3.908 GPA with my major being in Sport Administration and my minor in Administration of Justice. While in College, I have switched my major 3 times, which I have been told was possibly going to be beneficial for me since I have an entire year of business marketing, as well as a semester of nothing but english. I am a member of the Honors College at my school and I am involved in 4 other academic societies as well. Unfortunately, my LSAT diagnostic was a 145. I am currently taking a kaplan course, and I am hopeful that between now and October first, I will at least be in the low 150’s. My main question is what do you think my chances are at school like UofL, UofK, and Northern Ky (Salmon Chase) college of Law if my scores do not increase to much? I am very concerned since I have worked so hard in college for this very purpose, yet my lsat score is a bit low?

    • Aaron, you have two whole months to bring up your LSAT performance so I think your worries are premature. Isn’t that great news?!?
      Most people do terribly on the diagnostic – they give it to you to scare you and it worked. But don’t let it discourage you!

  161. Tyler on said:

    Greetings Ann,
    Applying this fall to law school is an absolute must. My academic clock is melting away. Here is my case.
    My first LSAT score in June 2010 returned a 136. I made some adjustments to how I prepared for effort #2 and incresed my June 2011 to 149. Im an OSU grad finishing with a 3.2.
    Would I appear as a better candidate to apply early in the application process with my current numbers or take the LSAT again in October and apply after the scores have been released?
    Your guidance is greatly appreciated.

    • Hi Tyler,
      I’m so happy you made such a big jump with your LSAT. I have 3 questions that you must answer for yourself in order to make this decision:
      1. How were you doing on practice tests leading up to this June’s test?
      2. Do you feel you have potential to improve based on being able to dedicate more time, get more help, etc.?
      3. Where do you want to go to law school?
      Ann

  162. Juliana Woodard on said:

    I was wondering if you could help me…I scored at 141 on the june lsat, but my acadmic GPA is 3.9. I am in Honor Society, Criminal Justice fraternity, have won scholarships for law school in regional mock trials, full time paralegal, and have strong letters of recommendations as well as a personal statement. I am taking the text again in october, and working with a tutor…I dont want big money law schools, I am originally from the south and want to return there with my children, I was looking in to Duncan School of Law at Lincoln Memorial and Mississippi college school of law. when I did the calculator on LSAC it said it was a possibility… I want this more than anything, do I have a chance or should I go the master’s route….I think my problem is LSAT anxiety —any advice you have would be great

  163. Juliana Woodard on said:

    Im sorry if you get a message similar to this twoice, I had trouble with this page….I have a 3.9 gpa, worked my way through college with my two children as a paralegal, am in Honors Society, Criminal Justice fraternity, and have a excellant letters of recommendation as well as personal statement. Now that I have given you the good, let me throw you the bad…my LSAT was a 141 for this last june. I have been working with a tutor and plan to take october., I am not concerned with top tiers…in my view everyone has to take the same bar no matter where they go to law school..I want desperately to return to the south, its my roots and I am in las vegas presently. Lincoln Memorial University in Tennessee has opened a Duncan School of Law, 25% lsat for partime is 142. Missippi college, by using the lsac calculator , said I was a possibility, what I want to know is any advice you could give me. This is the one thing I really want to do, and I wont give up untill I achieve this goal…do I have a chance> im looking for fall 2012 so am applying early to hope the whole rolling admissions thing works in my favor

  164. Juliana Woodard on said:

    Im sorry if you get a message similar to this twoice, I had trouble with this page….I have a 3.9 gpa, worked my way through college with my two children as a paralegal, am in Honors Society, Criminal Justice fraternity, and have a excellant letters of recommendation as well as personal statement. Now that I have given you the good, let me throw you the bad…my LSAT was a 141 for this last june. I have been working with a tutor and plan to take october., I am not concerned with top tiers…in my view everyone has to take the same bar no matter where they go to law school..I want desperately to return to the south, its my roots and I am in las vegas presently. Lincoln Memorial University in Tennessee has opened a Duncan School of Law, 25% lsat for partime is 142. Missippi college, by using the lsac calculator , said I was a possibility, what I want to know is any advice you could give me. This is the one thing I really want to do, and I wont give up untill I achieve this goal…do I have a chance> im looking for fall 2012 so am applying early to hope the whole rolling admissions thing works in my favor

  165. Hi Ann,

    I am 26 year old senior finishing my undergrad in December at the University of Kentucky. I’m applying to law school this fall hoping to attend the University of Louisville but I’m getting nervous about a couple of things. First off, my performance for the first half of my undergrad career from 2002-2005 was not so good, landing me with a 2.0 gpa for around 45 credit hours. I’ve since been able to get a 3.9 gpa for the 60 hours I’ve taken at UK, plus the 18 hours I’m about to take. How badly do you think the 2.0 gpa will affect my chances of getting into law school? No official LSAT score yet. Also, do you think I’ll have a chance to explain my academic disparities to U of L, or will they probably just use the LSAC score?
    Thanks.

  166. Michelle Simorov on said:

    Hi Anne,

    The first time I took my LSATs i got a 139. I attempted to retake and on the day of the exam I was forced to cancel my score. I then took a prep class and was really improving but my score for the second time was a 145. When i attempted to sign up to retake the exam I was not allowed to because there is a three time limit. Even though i had cancelled my score they still used it against me because I showed up to the testing center. What are my chances with a 145 to get into a school like CUNY, Touro, Pace or even John Marshall in Chicago?

    Thanks
    Michelle

  167. Hi Ann

    I’m a 55 year old black woman that has always dreamed of becoming a lawyer. I returned to school 4 years ago completed my B.A in accounting with a 3.82 GPA. I am currently working on completing my MBA in May 2012. I would like to enter law school in Sept. 2012. I took the LSAT 3 times . The first time I prepared for 2 weeks and scored 138. The second time I cancelled my score. The third time I prepared for 2 months and scored 145. I am interested in specializing in international trade which would compliment my small customs brokerage license. I presently own a small custom house brokerage servicing Importers with merchandise from China, The Netherlands, Germany, Hong Kong, India, Pakistan and England. I reside in the New York area and would like to apply to Hofstra Law School. My second choice would be Touro Law School. I went to an open house at Hofstra last year and was told since I was a non-traditional student a low LSAT score would not necessarily prevent me from being accepted. Do you think I have a chance of getting accepted to Hofstra. If not how about Touro.

  168. Precious on said:

    Hi Anne:
    I am 31 years old. I hold a B.A. in Polic Science (2.9 GPA c/o 2003) and a Masters in Communications (3.3 GPA c/o- 2008). I have taken both Dec. 2010 (141) and then the Feb 2011 (144). I have always worked full-time since I left highschool. I want to apply for the fall 2012 semester but I was debating on retaking the test in Dec? Do you think that is a wise move? Since I did apply to four schools for the fall 2011 and of course got denied (even a conditional program at Weidner – that I didn’t pass because the distance was too great) since I reside in NJ. Is that a bad thing? Also, can I use the same reccom letters or would I have to get new ones?
    Your help would really be much appreciated!!! Thanks

    • Precious, if you didn’t make it through the conditional program, you are going to have a hard time convincing schools you can make it through law school. Not every application will ask about it, but some will and then it’s another thing you need to explain in your application. Only take the LSAT in December if you have time to prepare for it, can work with a good prep method/tutor, and can take time off work to concentrate on it. Otherwise, you’ll get the same results as before and ruin your last chance to take the LSAT for a while.

  169. Amber Knowels on said:

    Hello Ann,

    I graduated with a 3.6 GPA in Legal Studies, and hold a Paralegal Certificate as well. I have never been a strong test taker not for lack of accuracy but I never finish the sections. Subsequently my score is in the 148 range and I would like to apply to USD or any other 1st/2nd tier school in California. What are my chances and what schools do you recommend I focus on? Any help is greatly appreciated.

    Thank you,

    AK

  170. John O'Neill on said:

    Hello, Male, 45, high school drop-out, returned to school in my 30s. raised kids, part-time school at community college, UNLV, and Nevada State. Cumulative GPA 3.1.

    Adversity issues with on job injuries, socioeconomic disadvantages and educational disadvantages as youth overcome in adulthood. Partially disabled with back injuries (I still work a labor intensive job, just painfully so).
    BS in Public Administration Nevada State, AAS Paralegal studies College of Southern Nevada. 10 hours per month volunteer at hospice for last year. Single father of 13 year old son.
    LSAT 143 with minimal study 6 years ago. Will retake next spring after Bar-Bri Prep course.
    I am interested primarily in Trinity Law School, located in Santa Ana, California, a NON-ABA California accredited school or another California NON-ABA Law Program in a University that IS regionally accredited (for financial aid purposes). I only want to practice in California so that’s fine.
    I do live in Las Vegas but Boyd has become pretty snooty. (unless you are a felonious county commissioner or a single mom who “has” to dance in a club to get by (yada yada)
    Do I have a reasonable shot at a California Law School given what little you know about me? Will Use of your services increase my chances?
    Thanks.
    I am a white male with a low GPA and LSAT so my chances at a traditional school are almost zero unless my listed “disadvantages” can be shown to be redeeming enough to have pity on me…lol?

    • HI John. I love your email address ; )
      Non-ABA schools are a great option for some people. However, my expertise is with ABA schools – I do not offer admission consulting for state bar schools. I wish you all the best in your endeavor.

  171. Alexandria Bernard on said:

    I scored a 142 on my LSATs and have a 2.4 GPA hoping to have a 2.8 by the time I graduate. I was going to apply at Duquesne for the evening law program because I was told it was a lot less competitive admission process. I am going to take the LSATs again in hopes to improve do you think I stand a chance getting into a less competitive admission process?

  172. Alexandria Bernard on said:

    I scored a 142 on my LSATs and have a 2.4 GPA hoping to have a 2.8 by the time I graduate. I was going to apply at Duquesne for the evening law program because I was told it was a lot less competitive admission process. I am going to take the LSATs again in hopes to improve do you think I stand a chance getting into a less competitive admission process?

  173. Hi Ann-

    The October LSAT is almost here and I am super nervous! I was going to take the June test, but decided I wasn’t ready. I am taking a Kaplan course, again, this is the second time, and my practice test scores just aren’t improving. This time around they are 151, 146, 148. Basically the same as they were last time, but I am taking studying very seriously this time. I have a 3.89 GPA with an Economics major and legal studies minor. I am 30 so I have the life experience, unrelated work experience, have been involved in school organizations, have received honors almost every term, BUT…. my biggest problem is my criminal record. I have no felonies, violent crimes, or anything that the bar would definitely turn me down for, but I see that as a problem if I don’t get a good LSAT score. My personal statement will help explain part of this away, given the struggles I overcame and where I was in my life at that point. The problems were 6 years ago also.

    Do I have any chance of getting into any San Diego law school? USD, Cal Western, Thomas Jefferson? I know I haven’t taken the LSAT yet, but I want to have my apps in my Nov. 15. I can assume I’ll get around a 147. And I am hispanic also. Thank you!

    • Maigan, it sounds like high 140s-low 150s is the right score for you so take the LSAT, have a good attitude about it and don’t let nerves get you down, and I think CW and TJ will both be schools that might give you a shot if you have a good application. You have fabulous grades and life experience.

  174. Hi Ann,

    I have been prepping for the LSAT for the last 2 and a half months with a prep course through Kaplan, and I still haven’t scored over 150 on any of my practice tests. I take the LSAT on October 1 (just over a week) and am a little bit worried about scoring poorly because I am unable to take the LSAT in December due to a prior obligation I cannot get out of. I have a 3.75 UGPA and have a lot of very good soft factors: 2 legal internships, two years of overseas experience, I speak another language, I’ve worked full time graveyard shifts while going to school and studying for the LSAT, and some merit scholarships.

    With a weak LSAT score (below 150) and strong GPA and soft factors, what are my chances of getting into top 100 ABA schools such as Ohio State, McGeorge, University of Utah, etc. More specifically, is there a good chance I could be admitted if my GPA is over their 75th percentile but my LSAT is below the 25th percentile?

    • Adam, I just don’t have enough information about you to judge whether you would fall into the (select) group of my clients who would get into a Top 100 or Top 50 school with an LSAT in the low 150s. Take the LSAT – you’ve been prepping for it and there’s no indication you’re not ready, and you can’t take December because of your schedule. So whatever the score is, you will strategize from there. Let me know how I can help.

  175. hello,

    I’ve been reading your blog and perhaps you can help me out here. I graduated from my undergraduate school with a low GPA 2.4 in Criminal Justice in ’06.. I later attend University of Miami and got a Paralegal Certificate and got my Masters with a 3.5 GPA. I will have 5 years work experience as a Paralegal by the time I apply to law school for Fall ’12. I’m registered to take the Oct test but I’m thinking to cancel because my pratice tests scores have all been around the 145 mark… Do you think I have a realistic chance of getting into a law school if I continue to practice hard and get a really good LSAT score?

    • Necole,
      With a 145 (and it’s likely you’ll get a lower score on test day) and a 2.4 (even with a masters GPA and paralegal certif, etc.) you are not going to get into law school. You need to wait and see if you can improve your performance on the LSAT.

  176. Hi Ann,

    I was wondering if you can provide some quick insight. I attended a Big Ten/Public School and graduated with a 3.08GPA in 2008. Throughout college, I was very involved and held multiple leadership positions (student government, business club, etc) and had some unique experiences in each. I also had an internship with the Department of Defense and State’s Attorney’s office. During this time, I also worked practically full-time through a variety of student jobs (RA, research assistant, file clerk, etc) in order to support myself. After college, I decided to do Teach For America and through the program, I was also able to earn a Masters in Teaching (3.7 GPA). After serving 2 years in TFA, I took a job as a research analyst with a large law firm and have been in that role for a year. During this time, I have also served on 3 associate boards and have held leadership positions in 2 of them. I am also an URM. I took the lsat a year ago and scored a 143 and I’ve been in pretty much the same range +/- 3 points. It might also be helpful to point out that I have a history of poor test taking (i.e. SAT). Do you think I have a shot at a school like Northwestern? Vanderbilt? Or any T1/T2? I had my interviews with both NW and Vandy and they went really well but I am fully aware that my numbers are way below the average. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

  177. Hello,
    So I still have the dream of being an attorney. I got my BS in CJ in 2006 GPA 3.75. Have taken the LSAT 3 times! 135-137- 138! and missed one test! ( I was out of town and forgot about it). I’m still taking a prep course, and working on my MS (current GPA 3.60) I STILL HAVE HOPE! but with all these bad scores, do you honestly think I would still have a chance? or would I need to get a 180 to actually be accepted? Mood: disappointed!

  178. Sutton Fain-Schwartz on said:

    Okay, so I really don’t know what to do in this situation and I’ve already talked to the pre-law adviser on campus and feel that I still need more advice. I have applied for extra time on the LSAT but was denied because one form was missing from my packet. I’m taking the LSAT on Saturday and my average test score for the test WITHOUT extra time is about a 142 (I know, terrible). However, with the extra time, I score around a 160-162 (MUCH better). My GPA is a 3.58. I’m scared that if I take the LSAT on Saturday and do poorly that even if I send an adendum to the schools that I’m applying to explaining that I’ll be retaking the exam in December that they will still cast my application aside due to my low score on the first exam. Should I cancel my score on Saturday after I take the exam (so they never know my score) or just keep it and have faith in the system and admissions board that they WILL in fact see my (hopefully) improved score despite the fact the my first score was so low? I just really need some perspective right now, please. Thanks :]

    Also, I expect I DO expect to receive extra time for the test in December. I’m just worried that since I need to send in my applications around the first part of December (ideally November) that they will lose interest in me as a candidate because of that low first score and not bother to see my (hopefully) improved second score.

    • Sutton,
      WAIT and reapply for accommodations and take December. Don’t take the LSAT this weekend! Don’t just have faith in the system- make smart decisions! People apply to law schools in January with December lSAT scores and get into reach schools all the time, especially in a year when application #s are down. Don’t fall into the hype of taking December – it’s not the right decision for you.

  179. I am taking the LSAT this saturday and I am extremely nervous! I have done powerscore prep and although I have been doing well, my practice test score are still in the mid 140’s to low 150’s. My GPA is a 3.1. I am african american and I am trying to get into a NY law school! Preferably CUNY Law. What are my chances if any if I get the same score on the actual test with this GPA?

    • Sade, If you get in the high 140s to low 150s and the rest of your application is strong, then you will be in the ballpark, but if you are mostly hitting in the mid-140s and you are not consistently hitting above a 150, you may want to wait.

  180. Ian Peters on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I just withdrew from taking the October LSAT (A day before) since I took a timed practice exam this morning and only scored a 149. I knew that I wouldn’t do much better on the LSAT on Saturday. I have only been seriously studying for the LSAT for two weeks. I have not taking a lot of the practice exams and that was really the first one that I took without taking breaks between the sections.

    I graduated recently with a bachelors in Political Science and a bachelors in Criminal Justice. I had a 3.32 GPA. I’m planning to take the December LSAT in order to apply for law school in the fall of 2012. I feel as though I’m capable of a lot of improvement on my LSAT. I would like to aim for West Virginia or something better. I would also like to find a tutor to help me break down my sections in order to find my weak point and improve upon them. Unfortunately, I’m not having much luck finding any within my area.

    What do you believe my chances are in improving my skills, what are your thoughts about my goals and do you have any additional advice?

    Thanks in advance.

  181. Sutton Fain-Schwartz on said:

    Hey, there! Just wanted to thank you so much for your advice :] I withdrew from the LSAT today, met with the Student Disability Services on campus to figure out the accommodated testing and have registered for the December LSAT. I’m so excited and now I have two months to study even more and possibly get my score a few points higher :]

    I did, however, have one more question for you. Can I apply in November/December without my LSAT score or would you suggest me to apply in January once my LSAT score comes in? Is there one advantage over another? Thanks so much again!

    • Sutton, that’s great!!! Wait and apply in early January once your score comes in – schools won’t evaluate your application without the LSAT score and you won’t know where to apply without your score.

  182. Angelica Jordan on said:

    Hi Ms. Levine,

    I am an ambitious sophomore who recently enrolled in Kaplan’s LSAT program to take the LSAT in February of next year. I am a CJ major trying to concentrate into law. While on an internship, I decided to take a practice LSAT (as I know nothing really about it) to get a feel of what I’m up against. Sadly, I scored a 135. In a way, it isn’t bad because I know my mistakes, and I can correct them through my program with Kaplan and improve way in advance. However, I want to know from your end any advice you can give that can potentially boost me 30 additional points to apply to Columbia Law School when I am ready to graduate. Although I am heavy in optimism, any criticism that can be realistically useful to my advantage would be greatly appreciated! =D

    • Angelica,
      First, I applaud your ambition and motivation. However, I want to talk you down from starting LSAT prep as a sophomore. You are not ready. You need to wait. Worry about the LSAT and prep next year. If you don’t have a history of high performance on standardized testing, then you may want to reconsider Kaplan, which uses a one-size-fits all approach. I want you to wait and work on your grades and activities and developing who you are as a person. Then, next year, worry about the LSAT. I don’t know if you’ll follow this advice since you are so motivated, but I certainly hope you will!

  183. Confused and Discombobulated on said:

    Ann,

    I am not sure this is the appropriate blog for this post, but here it goes:

    -I attended an Ivy League school that is rather notorious for it’s grade deflation policies. As such, my GPA was a rather meager 3.0.

    -I took the LSAT this October, and have been scoring anywhere from 166-172 on the practice tests.

    Frankly, I have no idea what sort of schools to apply to. I would love to go to schools such as American, Georgetown, Villanova, etc.

    From what I understand, I am a rather large ‘splitter’ given my GPA and presumed LSAT score of 165ish.

    Any advice would be appreciated!

  184. Justin on said:

    Hi, I just wrote my lsat last saturday october 1st. I am a little worried. Although my LSAT prep test never landed bellow 155. I definitely felt way too nervous before going in and feel as though this may have caused a great deal of damage. As you know, I won’t receive my grade until another three weeks. If it is in fact bellow 155 I am highly likely going to write again as I am a Canadian citizen and choices for law schools are limited. Do you have any advice for making sure that your grades on your practice test latter follow on your actual one. I just want to make sure I’m not plagued with awful jitters and second guesses while I am writing my next test.

    • Hi Justin,
      Nerves are a common problem during the LSAT and what you’re describing sounds really normal. This is the reason why most people score a few points lower on the real thing than on a practice test. See how this score comes out and then decide how to proceed.

  185. michael birkhold on said:

    I am 21 years old and took the lsat yesterday. I currently hold a 3.8 gpa and am a double major in political science and philosophy. I worked for a law firm for 3 years and did interning elsewhere. I have a powerful transcript and am a senior. I took kaplan and scored no higher then 150 in my practice exams. I felt very confident in my test yesterday yet I’m afraid I won’t score higher then a 150. What are my chances of getting into st johns university with my current situation?

  186. Hello,

    I have received a 142 on the lsat the first time I wrote it. I have a 3.77 gpas from Brooklyn College with a double major in Public Accountancy and Business Management and Finance. What are my chance of getting into CUNY Law school or New York Law School?

    Please let me know

  187. Hi, I took my LSAT 3 times, first time was cancelled, second time was a 145 and im still waiting for my third exam (released by next week). Im predicting based on practice test a slight increase of a 146-148. My Ugrad gpa is 3.35. I have an addendum for a one time dui charge. But i put in two stellar reccommendation letters and previous work experience with a law firm, 3 months. Im applying for Tier 4 schools for part-time. What do you think my chances are?

    • Hi Emil, I think you are picking the rights schools range and that with strong applications you have a chance but it’s very hard to for me to say how great a chance without knowing a lot more about someone.

  188. thank you for your honesty and support. I guess it would mainly depend on my personal statement then. My topic i chose was to focus on qualities and traits that would be beneficial for law schools and lawyers. I’m currently having it revised by a student in law school and two practicing associates.

  189. Emil, why would you write about that? It has nothing to do with you, and I’m pretty sure that the people evaluating your application have a better idea of what qualities are important in lawyers than you would…. You need to emphasize your experiences and background.

  190. Hi Ann,

    I took the October 1st exam and I’m anxiously waiting for the results. I took a course over the summer to prepare and my practice tests started off with a 147 and towards the end I was averaging a 165. My cumulative GPA is around a 2.8 but by the end of this year it should hit the 3 scale.

    Do you think I should prepare more and take the test again or do you think I could get into law schools based on these stats. Much help is appreciated.

  191. Ms Levine,

    Hello, I’m a 39 Mexican-American male that recently decided to return to school and finish my bachelors degree. My graduating GPA was a 3.95 and my Cum GPA is 2.70. I also enrolled in a Kaplan LSAT prep course, but unfortunately the closest to my city was 2 hrs one way, which made two very long days with 4 hrs travel and 4 hours class time two days a week for 8 weeks. Obviously not the best learning environment, but I wanted to get as much exposure to the LSAT to acheive the best score possible. Today I received my LSAT score and it was a dismal 135. What are my chances and what are the next steps if I want to continue to pursue this dream. Thank you.

  192. Kenneth O'Neal on said:

    Dear Ann, I recently took the LSAT October 1st and scored a 141. Unfortunately that is a low score. I did not prepare for this test or practice for the test. I didn’t realize how important it was to REALLY study for this test. I would like to take it again, do you think if I took a prep course that it would be possible to raise my score 20 points? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thank you.

    • Kenneth, you didn’t prepare for the test? Oh my gosh! What a huge mistake! You MUST retake the test, and not in December – it’s only 5 weeks and not enough time to learn the test. Don’t follow up poor planning with poor planning or you will not get into law school. Take time, take the LSAT in Feb or June and prep in the right way. Apply for 2013. I’ve seen too many people follow one bad decision with others. Recognize that you exercised poor judgment in taking the LSAT without preparing, and regroup.

  193. Hi, I took the LSAT twice and scored 146 and 145. I studied harder the second time and sadly, scored lower. I’m always scoring in the low- to mid-150s on the practice tests, so I felt a bit prepared, but I’ve never been good at standardized testing. I know my scores are very low, but I currently have a 3.88 GPA. I really want to go to law school and have a passion for international law…would I be able to get into any law school, especially ones that offer this program?

    • Sara, forgive me if my response is longer than your question.
      1. Is your GPA from a good school? This matters a lot.
      2. Do you know what you mean by “international law”? Do you mean human rights? working contract law in Hong Kong? Do you speak any other languages?
      3. Are you flexible about where you can attend law school? If your grades, resume, LORs and essay(s) are strong then you may be able to get in, but I admit that your questions make me think that maybe you need to read my books about choosing a law school and choosing an area of legal specialization to make sure you understand what you are basing your decisions on. See: http://www.lawschoolexpertbook.com

  194. Hello Ann,

    I am currently debating on applying to law school. I took the LSAT last October in 2010 and scored a 139 then again this past october and got a 143. MY gpa is 2.9. My job is based in D.C. so I would have to stay in the area. I plan on applying part time. I have a major in journalism and have various connections with excellent writers so my personal statement and addendum is not of concern. Would you be able to advise me on the best schools to apply to with my background? Please feel free to email me with more questions. Any directional advice is much appreciated.

  195. Lauren on said:

    Hi Ann,

    Just wondering your opinion.
    I originally scored a 142 on my LSAT I took in October. I took a practice test a few months before and got the same exact score. I could not afford a class and I did my own prep work-which obviously did nothing. I am a 21 year old senior in college, I have a 3.9 GPA and have a resume to die for (internships, experiance and loads of awards, acheivments and titles). I also have a load of rec. letters.

    I am petrified I will not get into a NY area law school. I am planning on taking the Feb 12 LSAT but I am at a loss of what to do. Does improving seem impossible? Any suggestions?

  196. Hey,

    So I just received my LSAT score today and was saddened when I saw saw a 149. My practice scores have ranged from mid 150’s to lower 160’s, so I was not expecting this. However, I do not feel that I could retake and preform much better. I am applying to TTT schools and TTTT schools in Illinois and some part time programs at higher ranked schools. My GPA is 3.5-3.75 (not quite sure yet). My personal statement is strong and I have strong letters of recommendation, I also have an addendum to explain a retaken undergraduate class. What are my chances at these schools. I know I have not provided much info, but based on the numbers, what do you think?

    Thanks,
    A

  197. To say I am ready to give up will be an understatement.

    Graduated in May
    Great LOR’s
    Amazing Personal Statement
    Horrible GPA and LSAT
    2.63 and a 136 Lsat Score
    Should I even bother applying?

    I put in an application for South Texas and Florida Coastal for spring already. What are my chances honestly.

    For the fall I will apply to Southern, Schools in Puerto Rico and Texas Southern. Do I stand a chance?

    Will it help that I am African American and the only person in my family to finish college?

    Please HELP!

    • John, You are not going to get into schools with those numbers, unfortunately. You are going to have to bring up the LSAT and prove that you can hack it in an academically rigorous environment. Law schools have no data to rely upon to show that you have a chance of making it through law school or passing the bar, and unfortunately passion is not enough.

  198. Steve Von on said:

    Hi Ann,
    Trying to decide what schools to apply to. Just got my score back, 154 – a llitle dissapointed. I’m a African American male with a 3.2 GPA. Can I get into a top 100 Law school?

  199. Hi Ann,

    I am a URM, i have been in the work force for 4 years and I want to go to law school. I have cancelled my LSAT score twice and I have just received my LSAT score of 147. I am a mother to a one year old and found it difficult to prepare for the test working full-time and taking care of my daughter. I don’t have a good history of taking standardized test. I was educationally disadvantaged but made it through Undergrad with a 3.34 GPA. My grades went up every single semester and I made deans list my last 3 semesters. I would like to go to a part time program and only work part time so I can commit myself to law school. Do you think I have a shot at 3 or even 2 tier schools? I am trying to apply very early before NOV 1st for Fall 2012. Thanks

  200. Shirley on said:

    Hi!
    (First, I’m not picky about any law school right now… Just want to get my foot in the door and prove myself!)
    I took the LSAT on the first of this month and just got back a sad score of 144. My undergrad GPA is only a 2.6 and I know my chances are unlikely for acceptance into any Law School. I’m currently in a Post Bacc. Certificate program for Paralegals and my grades are fantastic so far. If I were to earn a nice GPA from my current community college (where I am getting my certificate) and significantly increase my LSAT score, do you think I will have a better chance at Law School? Also, about how many points would be a minimum increase for me to have a decent shot? Thanks!

  201. Philip on said:

    Hello Ann, I a just received my October LSAT score and was extremely disappointed that I received a 144. I prepared with a tutor which apparently did not help much. I have never been a good standardized test taker. I have a 3.87 GPA, double major, and am a Division 1 athlete with strong letters of recommendation. Do you think I stand a chance at getting into a law school if I apply now?

    • Philip, you seem surprised at the 144. How were you doing on practice tests? I hope you took a bunch of timed practice tests. Your GPA and Div. 1 athletics are awesome but I want to make sure you’ve exhausted your options for LSAT prep before you settle with this score.

  202. To follow up,

    I have extreme test anxiety. My practice tests are decent because they are just that, practice, but the real test kills me. So I am just wondering if a 149 would be good enough for DePaul or John Marshall, since it is only slightly lower than their 25th percentile?

    A

  203. HI Ann,

    I am applying for Fall 2012. I have taken the LSAT 3 times. I cancelled 2 times and I finally recieved my score of 147 for October’s LSAT.I know with this tough LSAT score I will have to come up with a strong PS and LORs. I graduated from SUNY Albany in 2007 and have been working for the last 4 years. I recieved 2 very nice LORs from work and 1 LOR from the CEO of a Community Service Org that I have been working with for the past 2 years. My personal statement reflects some difficult experiences I have overcome and how those experiences served as a great benefit in building my character. I have a upward scaling GPA. Cumulative is 3.3, the last 3 semesters I was honored with Deans List. The problem is I have always had a problem with standardized test and I have a bit of test anxiety. I know I could have done better on my lsat but working full-time and taking care home along with my 1 year old daughter does not give me enough time to study the way I want to. If admitted to law school, I will leave the work force and treat law school as my full time job or go part time. Is their any advice to give me an edge as a URM applying early for Fall 2012. Do I have a shot at a tier 2 law school such as St. Johns or Hofstra or am I looking mainly at 4th tier schools for the most part. Im reluctant to go to a 4 tier school because of the debt I will incur. Also, Im interested in Howard, do you think I have a chance there?

  204. Dear Ms. Lavine,
    I have a 3.0 GPA and will be graduating in June ’11. I took the LSAT in October and scored very low (137) I am retaking the exam in Feb ’12 and hope to do better. I have worked for a law firm for 7 years – my boss will be writing my letter of recomendation along with 2 other professors. At this point, I am not so confident that I will get into a law school with my GPA/LSAT score.
    Do you have any advice for me?
    Thank you for your time.

    • Gia, I’m glad you’re retaking the Exam and I hope you’ll be preparing very differently than you did last time. I also hope you are applying next fall and not this fall (starting law school in Fall 2013 and not 2012).

  205. Hi Ann,
    I just received my LSAT score of a 143. I have an undergraduate GPA of 3.27 (LSAC calculated my GPA as 3.25). Graduate GPA of 3.71 in Paralegal Technology. I work as a Paralegal (certified by the state bar) and have great litigation, regulatory and discovery experience in banking, energy and private law firms. I’m considered a non-traditional, applicant who has been out of school for several years and a mom. I have great LOR’s but have always had problems with standarized exams. I’ve done well in my academic studies and participated in wonderful internship programs and collegiate activities during my undergraduate experience. Do you believe I should retake the LSAT in Dec. or could I stand a chance at gaining acceptance into law school? I’m not looking for top tier. I knew I wanted to attend law school since I was in high school and know I can do what is required. My LSAT score does not represent my capabilities. My official score is within 5 points of my practice exams and I took a structured prep course. I can really use your expertise. HELP! Thanks in advance for your assistance! ~ C.L.

  206. Thanks Ann, Sorry for posting twice I didnt realize the first one went through. By the way I LOVE your book, “The Law School Admissions Game.” It will be by my side until I get that golden acceptance letter.

  207. Hello! I took the LSAT twice (Feb 2011 and Oct 2011). I was confident because the second time around I was scoring significantly higher by 8-10 on all of my practice tests with an experimental inserted. However, I received the same score both time 146 29%. I have an undergraduate gpa of 2.8 and a graduate school gpa of 3.8. I want to apply to some schools who seem to accept between the lsat range of 150-160. An I considerable as an applicant? Also, I am a black female with a background in dance studies. I am contemplating a diversity statement and possibly an addendum. Any recommendations or suggestions?

    • CKM,
      I think you can try of course. You have a few strikes against you (dance studies and grades), but if your graduate work was rigorous and you have academic letters of rec, and because black females are underrepresented in the legal profession, it’s not an impossible task. Just make sure your application materials are as strong as possible. Typos, poor writing, etc. would knock you out of consideration.

  208. I have a friend that just took the LSAT for the 1st time and scored a 160. They are expected to graduate in May 2011 with a double major in Journalism and Philosophy with an overrall GPA of 3.5. Their sights are set on a Top 10 Law school – should they re-take the LSAT and hope for a higher score. My friend has also written for several top newspapers in the past two years. Personally, I think a 160 for your 1st time is great! Graduate school is also an option and they will take the GRE in November.

  209. Hey Ann,

    So I came across another question that I have not been able to find an adequate answer for. If I apply now with a 149 to DePaul or John Marshall, and if i do not get accepted I plan on retaking the LSAT next June and taking yet another year off.

    Does applying twice to the same school with essentially the same application, aside from more time off and (hopefully) a higher LSAT score, hurt your chances?

    A

  210. Hello,
    I recently received a LSAT score of 141 and I have a cumlative gpa of 3.75. In your opinion should I apply to law school, take the exam or take the exam again? Would there in any school that would consider me? Whats the lowest score to get into law school? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

  211. Hello Ann,

    I just received my scores back from my October LSAT and scored a 146. I have a 3.6 GPA at my undergraduate University and plan to graduate in May 2012. Do you believe my strong letters of recommendation, high GPA, internships and community service abroad would aid my chances in getting into New England Law School?

  212. Hi Ann,

    I love your blog and have found it very helpful throughout this process! So first I would just like to say thank you for your posts and for taking the time to answer questions.

    My GPA is 3.65 and my LSAT score is 155. My practice tests were 157-159, so I’m not expecting to do too much better if I retake. I studied pretty hard for almost two months, so I think I was as prepared as I could be.

    I know you can’t give advice on specific schools, but with those numbers do I have any chance of being accepted into a top 100 school? My dream school is University of Pittsburgh.

    I worked several jobs, had multiple internships, and graduated with honors. I should have excellent LORs and my personal statement is pretty strong too.

    Any words of advice would be appreciated.

    Thank you!

  213. courtney on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I took the June LSAT and scored a 141, I took the October LSAt and scored a 148. I feel as though I need a higher score in order to get into the schools I would like to apply for in Fall of 2012. i want to take the Lsat again in December but I am not sure if that will be a good idea. I have contacted a tutor and will begin working on Monday. I have a strong GPA (3.78) and a BS in Criminal Justice from a 4 year private college. Would you recommend taking the LSAT again in December?

    • Courtney, December may not be enough time for the tutor to really make a difference and if you take the December LSAT then you’ll have used up your last opportunity to take it.

  214. Dear Ann,

    Thank you very much for the blog here, it is really helpful to read some of the answers you have answered. Just want to get a reality check. A recent graduate from top 10 UK university with a degree of history. Final result was 2.2 (apparently, it is classified as GPA of 3.4). Am planning to take this upcoming december LSAT exam yet have the highest score of 152.
    I have a couple of internships from major financial IB firm and public sector and a recommendation letter from local law firm I’ve worked as a summer intern. Held few positions back in university years. I know the result do not look favourable but is there any chance of me getting into T25 law school? In a scale of 1 to 10? one being the least favourable.

    It will be amazing if you can answer above question.
    Thank you.

  215. courtney on said:

    that’s what I have been debating about. I actually made a “pros and cons” list and think I’m going to prepare and apply for Spring of 2013. When would you suggest I take the LSAT again for admission to Spring 2013? February or June?

  216. Demoralized on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I just got my score back on the October administration, and much to my disappointment, I got a 157. I took it once before and also scored a 157, and canceled another time. I have a 3.6 Cumulative from a top-10 liberal arts school (3.9 gpa senior year, struggled a bit academically during my first years due athletics schedule) and a very strong professional experience/resume with strong recommendations from 4 sources.

    However, I had been scoring practice tests in the mid 160’s (highest 168) and this last ditch hail mary effort has left me depressed, demoralized, and perhaps rethinking careers (even though law has been something I always pictured myself doing). My problem is that I’m a slow test taker, and the LSAT definitely emphasizes ability to synthesize in a high-stress, timed environment.

    My goal was to get into a top 25 school, or somewhere in that vicinity, and right now I’m doubting myself and wondering if I should take a drastic change and attempt business or something.

    However, the fact that I did poorly on a standardized test shouldn’t mean that I abandon my goals in law, right???

    Please provide any direction and input if you can. I would be extremely grateful.

    Thanks very much.

  217. Hello Mrs. Levine,
    I have taken the LSAT twice now and I received a 142 both times. I did not study as hard as I could have and I do believe that I can do better. Would you recommend retaking it? I have a 3.8 GPA and I am looking to get into Detroit Mercy or Michigan State. Do you think I have a chance of getting in if I apply with that score or should I take it a third time? Thank you for your time, I appreciate it.

    • Farah, Yes, I recommend you retake the LSAT but you won’t have enough time to prepare between now and December 3rd, so maybe try applying now and use next year as your Plan B if it doesn’t work out now.

  218. Hi, Ann!

    I just have a quick question.. I’ll really appreciate it if you could answer!

    I recently graduated from an Ivy League school as a cum laude, good LoRs, quality extracurricular activities, and some job experiences. My LSAT scores, however, are 149 and 152. :( I’m not planning to re-take it because I don’t think it would make any huge difference. I’m aiming for all of the law schools in New York City. I’m looking into schools such as Fordham, Cardozo, and Brooklyn Law. What do you think would be my chances for the schools above? Do I have any chance to go to Columbia and NYU law school at all?

    I will appreciate it if you could give me any advice! Thank you so much for reading!

  219. Demoralized,
    I think you may be a bit overreacting since a 157 hardly constitutes failure…. It’s the right score for your aptitude based on your practice performance at about 160 and you got the same score twice. Apply with the best application materials possible and come up with a well rounded schools list and see what happens.

  220. Brittany Stern on said:

    Hi Ann,
    My situation is different from most everyone who has commented on your posting. I am 25 and working and I took the LSAT 3 years ago before graduating college from Indiana University where I graduated with just below a 3.3 GPA. I was a Special Education major planning on attending law school to become a Special Education Advocate/Attorney. I found a tutor through the university and studied very hard for 5 months prior to taking the exam. Studying for this test at the time was my life.

    Now comes the part that separates me from others who have commented on your post. I am visually impaired which greatly effected events that happened to me during the time before and after taking the LSAT. I applied for test accommodations through LSAC and was given the opportunity to take my test in a large print format, private room with a test reader, and extended time. However extended time meant sitting in the room for double the regular amount of test time ending up to be either 7.5 or 8 hours (don’t remember which) with short 10 minute breaks every now and then.

    I’m sure you can imagine how difficult it would be for anyone to sit in a room completing a test as strenuous as the LSAT would be, but think of what it would be like if you have additional factors to consider like eye fatigue. I went through the long process of appealing accommodations to LSAC, but in the end my request was denied and I was unable to split the test up into 2 days.

    My work with my tutor seemed promising. My scores on practice tests were in the high 150s, but I only received a 140 on the actual test. My tutor was the one who always told me that the content of the test wouldn’t hinder my performance, but the time restrictions combined with eye fatigue because of my disability would be a challenge.

    So I have spent the last 3 years being very discouraged. My previous aspirations of attending law school basically no longer were obtainable as far as I was concerned because law school isn’t meant for people with disabilities. Whether or not this is actually true is another story I guess but it has been my unfortunate mindset for the last few years.

    I am now working at a non-profit organizations that trains businesses in travel and tourism on how to be accessible to people with disabilities through physical access, customer service, and legal rights. I am able to incorporate law into my job to a certain extent. I have had the opportunity to travel around the world training airlines on disability rights laws concerning travel and it has been a great opportunity for me, but I can’t help wanting more. Recently my dreams of attending law school have resurfaced, and I can’t help wondering what could have been. I don’t want to miss out on an opportunity I should have taken advantage of while I still have time and the drive for it. I know that was long, but I really feel that you have to hear my whole story to really understand what I am going through. Any advice would be hugely appreciated. Thanks for your time.

    • Hi Brittany, you are right – your situation is very different.
      I think you need to apply to law school. You may have to retake the LSAT for schools that want a more recent score, but I think you are the kind of person who will have potential to overcome the low LSAT because of these circumstances. I can’t guarantee anything, of course, but I think you at least need to try and apply and just see what options you might have before you give up completely.

  221. Matthew Zapotoski on said:

    Hello Ann, Last month I decided that I am going to stop hesitating and finally try to get into law school (after contemplating off and on for 2 yrs- its easy to become entrapped in work though!)

    That said, I kind of acted on impulse and signed up for the December 3rd test. Now I’ve read that people should have 4-6 months. I am not doubting my abilities (ill have just under two months and feel that my engineering background will put me slightly ahead of any lighter majors) and have always performed the best under pressure, but I have started to question whether or not this is the best move for me. My initial thought here was that this would be the last time to take it for fall 2012 enrollment. After looking at schools and their deadlines, it looks like I could take the test in February and still make many of them (I am not looking to go to Harvard or Yale).

    My first practice test was a 137 (ouch) and latest was a 151… In no way am I proclaiming to be there because I am far from it.

    With schools already taking applications, I fear that a February test will put me on the back end with schools already having their incoming class in process.

    Lets say I score a 155 in december and 160 in february.. in your opinion would this warrant the wait? The schools I am looking at are in the 157-163 range, and I am hoping my bachelors/masters in engineering will benefit me a little. I am inclined to continue studying hard up to the week of the test, see how I do on the latest LSAT, and if there are BIG concerns postpone.

    I may seem like I am rushing (I’ve waited two years, what’s another), but fall of 2013 seems like so far away!

    I appreciate any feedback you have!

    • Hi Matthew,
      I think that even though 2013 seems far away, law school is not the kind of decision you want to rush into for the sake of saving a year. You want to set yourself up to be as successful as possible and not make a short-term decision at the expense of a longer term decision. I would wait and take the LSAT once and do it right. You can try to apply to schools with a February score (although it’s too late in the cycle if your LSAT ends up not being strong for a school) and see how you do, or decide then to wait and apply for 2013. Rushing into December sounds like a bad idea, however, because it means you’ll probably just have to explain a low score, take February anyway, and then be bummed out over not performing well in December.

  222. Kevin Roche on said:

    I have a question. I took the LSAT 5 & 4 years ago and scored a 149 and 143 respectively. I put law school aside and became a special-ed teacher. However, living in Illinois, my job prospects aren’t too good and I am thinking about trying the Feb LSAT and going to law school. I’m 32 years old. What can I do? Thanks.

    • Hi Kevin,
      You can study for the LSAT and retake it~ The 5 year old score will probably disappear by the time you apply, but the 143 might still be around. The highest score is what matters, so buckle down ; )

  223. Rhilee K. on said:

    Hello Ms. Levine,

    I receieved my LSAT score and it was quite awful, far below a score I need/want. I got a 137 and I have a cumulative undergrad GPA of a 3.3. I am currently signed up to take the December LSAT in the hopes of raising my score as much as possible. Do you think it would be wise to hold off on law school apps for this year and prepare for the next year of admissions? I am worried that if I apply this year and get declined because of low numbers, the schools will see they declined me and not consider me for the next year I re-apply for. I just need as much advice as possible for my situation. I am trying to move from California to Chicago and I am not sure if it would be best to take a year off, work, and study for a higher LSAT score; or, apply anyways and hope for the best. If you could help me out in any direction I would really appreciate it. Thank you!!

  224. Hello –

    Would you mind offering your opinion about the LSAT Prep classes offered (two nights a week, approximately six weeks’ run time and 2-3 hours per class, at $600) at UMass Boston and at Boston College?

    Standardized tests don’t really scare me, and though I’ve never taken the LSAT before, I shot a 690 on my SAT Verbal portion years ago (total score of 1270, and I went on to major in English Literature). Would courses like the two I referred to above be worth my while? Or is LSAT prep truly a “You get what you pay for” venture, and I shouldn’t be trying to be frugal (innate skills or not)?

    Your response would be greatly appreciated.

  225. Good day. I have recently decided that I would like to persue a JD and just wanted to get your opinion if I have a chance and if so what (realistically) should my target LSAT score be. I have a BA in Economics from The University of Texas at Dallas with around 2.8 total undergrad GPA (low due to dropping out of college many years prior with low core course grades). I have about 36 hours of upper level Econ with ~3.5 GPA and last 60 undergrad hours around 3.4GPA. Also have an MBA from Texas A&M University – Commerce with around a 3.65 GPA. Career-wise, I am a Vice President at a large bank and have been fairly successful in my career (about 10 years work experience). Will my poor undergrad GPA kill me, and what LSAT score would allow me to be admitted to a fair school (I know an ivy is out of the question, but maybe a tier 3 or 2). Thanks so much for your help and insight!

    • Hi Aaron,
      Your target score needs to be whatever it takes to reach your aptitude on the test – I could say you should shoot for a 170 but that’s not very helpful advice, is it? I like that you have an upward trend. Give yourself time to prepare adequately for the LSAT, find a prep method that works well for you, and plan to apply for the Fall 2013 cycle (applying in 2012 for 2013 entrance).

  226. Hello Ann,

    I have been studying for the LSAT for the past 3months and is scheduled to take the Dec. LSAT for the first time. I have feared this test for many years and finally had the courage to take a formal course and schedule the test. Yesterday was the first time I took a practice test under the test conditions(timing and 1 break). I scored a 132. Now I’m a bit discouraged about taking the Dec. test.

    My intentions were to attend Law School in Fall, 2012. Should I take the Dec. LSAT or postpone until Feb? This will be my first time taking it.

    Thank you!

    • Hi Heather, You should have been taking full timed practice tests for weeks at this point. I think you need to wait until February, but take another test in the next day or two and see if the 132 was a fluke.

  227. Hello Ann,

    I have two previous attempts at the LSAT – 142 (Oct. 2010) and 145 (Oct. 2011). I am extremely frustrated with these results and am contemplating whether to take a shot at the February LSAT and apply for the 2012 L1 cycle. But I’m inclined to just submit my application with the scores I have. After scanning this blog I’m very hesitant to apply with such low scores despite knowing that I have a very solid application otherwise. Most, if not all the schools that I plan to apply to have a rolling application process. If the February LSAT does prove fruitful would I be too far behind the curve in the rolling acceptance process to have a chance of admittance this application cycle regardless of my score? I would not expect a 170 or some excellent LSAT score but more realistically in the lower to mid 150s. Is a 154 good enough to be competitive that late in the game or would you say retake the LSAT in June or Oct. this next year for the following cycle?

    Also, why is there so much credence placed on a standardized test that lasts ~3 hours? I understand that the LSAT measures capacity but what about propensity? How do applicants prove capacity and propensity without having to submit to a standardized aptitude test? Obviously in order to go to an accredited law school I’ll need a better LSAT but it seems like a very undignified way to determine who’s accepted and who’s not. I would not be seeking advice or posting this if I had preformed better but I really do feel strongly about the legitimacy of the LSAT and hope that you could provide a few thoughts toward the topic.

    Thanks for all the great responses and blog,
    J.B.

    • JB, if you could get in the mid to lower 150s, it would be worth taking the February LSAT. I met with one admission director yesterday for a regional law school who said she will absolutely be taking candidates who take the February LSAT this year. I know it’s frustrating that the LSAT is so important; it’s an easy crutch for law schools to compare people who have different backgrounds, went to different schools, studied different subjects, etc., who all take the same test and are compared to each other, and of course performance on that test has been proven to correlate with first time bar passage. Unfortunately, the LSAT is here to stay so it’s just one of those hurdles you have to jump to become a lawyer.

  228. Hi Ann,
    I have an idea of what you are going to advise me to do, but I thought I might ask regardless. My first cold practice score was a 142. I have managed to get around 150 , 151 being my highest. When I review my wrong answers, I immediately spot the right answer. I should be getting about 160 with how many answers I can recognize as correct answers. I may have an issue with the timing. Either way, I am scheduled to take the Dec. LSAT this week. I thought I would have been ready, but this is not the case. I may be burned out because my score has dropped the past week by 5-9 points. My question is, should I take the test for experience and cancel my Dec. score then re-take in February? Or, should I take the Dec. score and hope my low score is from over-studying and hope the curve bumps my score a bit? I do not plan on getting in any 1st or 2nd tier schools. I have a 3.1 GPA, and I am shooting for Southwestern among many others.

  229. I have spent the last three months going through all three Powerscore bibles in great detail, learning the methods taught to tackle the LSAT, but going at quite a leisurely pace to learn the fundamentals in detail. This morning I took my first timed practice exam and scored a 133! I was shocked! I couldn’t even finish the last group of questions on most of the sections and had to guess at the last 5-7 answers in each last group. Am I totally wasting my time?

    • Ryan, you are not necessarily wasting your time but you may need more help than self-study at a leisurely pace offers. You need a more formal study program and more time to dedicate. Only then will you be able to see whether it’s a waste of time; you haven’t put in enough time yet to know whether you have more potential.

  230. Ann,

    I have a 149 LSAT (after retaking from a 143) and a 3.1 GPA. I thought I left a comment in this blog but maybe I left one in the older blog…I worked with Jocelyn on my statements and addendums and she was great. I am retesting this Saturday and was wondering what you thought about possibly getting into Pace, NYLS, Hofstra and other schools in the NY area? My practice tests are anywhere from 153-159 so I am hoping to jump a few points..realizing that my nerves are my biggest problem.

  231. Ann,

    I am currently a junior in college finishing up my fall semester. Law school is something I really want in my future. I had no idea what I wanted out of school my first two years and my grades showed it with a 3.0. I am doing great this semester and will likely get a 4.0 for this year (hopefully). I took a practice LSAT without ever even knowing what was on it and I got a 133. I know that is a terrible score and I will be taking a prep course next semester as well as beginning my studying for the test. I want to do well on the June LSAT so that I can apply early for a better chance at acceptance. Was it just because I had no idea what the LSAT was or am I doomed when it comes to the test?

    • Kenny, you’re being way too hard on yourself. You haven’t even looked at the LSAT or started to prep. Find a good study program/tutor that works for you and you’ll be in fine shape.

  232. Hi Ann,
    Thanks so much for your blog! It’s incredible that you respond to everyone!
    This is a little off topic for this forum, but I just took the LSAT this morning and am debating canceling my score. My practice tests were all in the 149-155 range, but I need a 158 to get into my dream school- Lewis and Clark. I took a prep course and have been studying for 2 months. I don’t feel good at all about the test I just took. I Only finished two passages in reading comp and 3 games. Do you think I should wait and see my score and take it again in February or do you recommend canceling and taking again in February? Which looks better- low score, higher score or cancelled score, decent score?

    Thank you so much!
    Lindsey West

  233. Juliana on said:

    Hello Anne, I wrote you a little while back…im the one with the 3.9 GPA, Fraternity vice president, community service orginizer, honor society…in june i scored the 141, and on october test day I was sick and scored a 144 because I had to leave the room (nauseated) and didnt finish the test. I recently took the december lsat, today in fact, and feel confident through working with a tutor that my score is signifigantly higher. My last six practice tests were 161,161,160,163,165, and 164 taken over a four week period. I have ten applications out to the schools that I had a decent chance getting into with the prior test and they have held my application for the december lsat score. My question is, do I need an addendum for why I have taken the test three times? and will this hurt me even though there was improvement …and hopefully a rather large improvement for this last one…you may reply to me by email

  234. Carlos on said:

    Hi Ann, first of all thanks so much for your blog. I took the lsat on Dec 2010 and Jun 2011 and both times scored a 149. I just retook it today, and unfortunately after months of preparation I just did horrible on the games section (successfully finished 1 game, kinda finished another, and guessed on the other 2). Hence I am not really feeling like I scored any higher than before. I’m concerned about the limit of 3 testings in a 2 year period. How does this limitation really works? In my case, from Dec 2010 through Dec 2012 would be two years. Does that mean I could potentially retake in Dec 2012? I have a 3.73 gpa with 2 degrees (economics and poli sci)… such a misfortune that this test is stopping me :(

    • Carlos, that was your last eligible time to take the test for this admission cycle so see how you did on this test and try applying to schools with your current scores. With three scores that are the same (or close) it’s unlikely you’d be able to bring the score up, so I’d advise applying with your strongest possible materials and move forward with your applications.

  235. Question. Trying to figure out where I stand and what to do when I graduate. Here is my current situation: Senior year at Villanova, criminal justice major, 3.8 gpa out of 4.00, lsat…..142. Any shot at law school based on these numbers?

    Thanks for your input.

  236. Brittany K on said:

    Ann,

    I wrote the LSAT in June and got a 147. I rewrote the LSAT last saturday and am hoping for a few point gain, but am not expecting a huge increase. I have a 3.83 cumulative GPA and am applying to Dalhousie in Halifax, NS and UNB in New Brunswick..

    Just wondering if you have any insight on my chances given my score is below the average admission (they say 159 is average), but I have a good GPA (and I believe they drop the bottom 25% of your grades, which would likely bring by GPA to almost a perfect 4.0)

    Thanks!

  237. Hey Ann, I was hoping you could give me what you think my chances are. At WNE I have a 3.73 Cum GPA in Management, a double minor & certificate. I’m top 10% in my college of business, but unfortunately my LSAT is a 148. I’ve applied to New England School of Law (part time), Western New England, Quinnipiac (part time), Syracuse, Roger Williams, UConn (part time, reach), Northeastern (reach), Suffolk and UMass Dartmouth. I wasn’t sure if you knew of anyone with similar scores to similar schools and what their results were. Thanks for any help you can provide

  238. Brittany K on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I noticed you didn’t provide feedback on my comment from Dec. 8. Just wondering if you accidentally missed it. I appreciate any advice you can give.

    Thanks
    Brittany

  239. Karim Merchant on said:

    Hello Ms. Levine, I have taken the LSAT in oct and scored a low 144. my UGPA is 3.2 for University of Illinois at Urbana Chamapign. I am planning on retaking the LSAT in Feb. hoping to get in the 150’s. my hopes are to get into John marshall chicago, NIU, and others. I have begun the app process stating I am taking a future Lsat. What are my chances of getting in?
    You can reply to my email.
    I would appreciate your comment very much.
    Thank you
    Karim

  240. Hi thank you for the blog. I just got my LSAT score of a 147 and I am really upset. I was getting mid 150″s on the practice tests. This is my third time taking the LSAT so I cannot take it again. I have a 3.313 undergraduate GPA in business. I am just not good at standardized tests. What should I do? Can I still get into law school? I was thinking about applying part time programs. Please advise

  241. Stefanie on said:

    Hi Ann,
    For the last several hours I have been distraught over my low December LSAT score. I was confident I would at least rank in the 25% range of the schools I wanted to apply to. I received a 149 which places me in the 40th percentile. I have an overall GPA if 3.6, but if the first quarter of my undergraduate degree is not counted then it is closer to 3.8. I attend a top university and am a double major in Communications and Social Science, and also have a Political Science minor.
    All the schools I was planning on applying to have a deadline for fall enrollment of the beginning to middle of February. I am diverse in life experience, work experience, family issues, personal struggles I overcame, pretty much anything you can think of. I am also a 28 year old single mom who has worked full time in a Fortune 100 company while attending school full time. That is a large reason why I scored lower than expected.
    Realistically do you think I have any chance of getting into a top 25-50 law school due to my GPA and diverse life experience that most institutions seek? Also, I am half Native American, quarter Mexican, and quarter West Indian.
    I would really appreciate if you would be able to respond to my question.

    Thanks,
    Stefanie

    • Hi Stephanie, I think you should put together the best possible materials and try to apply with your current score. And apply in January – please don’t wait until February. But you will need to adjust your expectations – it’s not going to be a top 25 school and highly unlikely to be a Top 50. I’ve seen people with high 140s get into Top 50 schools but they had really amazing academic and personal credentials.

  242. Lauryn Boyd on said:

    Hello,
    I took the LSAT about 4 yrs ago and scored a 136. Took the Oct LSAT and scored a 132. My UPGA is 3.0 and Grad School is 4.0. I’m a 40+ year old female African American with over 20+ years legal work experience and community service.

    I’m not a good standardized test taker at all.

    I will address this in an addendum. What are my chances of getting in with schools looking at the entire package and not solely my LSAT score?
    Thanks.

    • Lauren,
      While they may review your other credentials, your LSAT score is too much for a school to ignore. It signals that you would be a bad bet for making it through law school. The caliber of your undergraduate and graduate institutions will also be a factor in this consideration.

  243. Nicole on said:

    Hi Anne,

    I took the December LSAT and just got my score. I got a 152 with the Kaplan Extreme LSAT preparation course. I know I can pull a better score but I was wondering if I should take it again in February (If I am applying for next year) or if I should take my chances. I have a 3.6 UGPA with specialized honors in Spanish and a year at the top corporate immigration law firm in NJ. I’m applying to Penn State, Northeastern, Catholic as my first choices but I have Pace and Suffolk too. I just don’t know what to do if I wait to take it again..

    • Nicole,
      You sold me with “I know I can pull a better score” and lost me with the idea of taking the February LSAT. If you know you can do better, don’t settle for schools that you could get into now. Stop. Wait and take the LSAT in June, and apply early next fall with an LSAT score that you feel confident is the best you can achieve.
      If you absolutely hate the idea of waiting a year then apply now with this score but don’t take February. For reasons why, see my blog talk radio show about the February LSAT from this week.

  244. Mary J. on said:

    I have recently taken the LSAT in December 2011. I got in the high 160’s on my practice tests but only got a 151 on the actual test. The two previous LSATs I took were a 143, 148. I have a 3.05 gpa. What are the chances of me getting into a school like UNLV? This is my number one school.

    • Mary, you have no choice but to try but I can’t comment really on chances because I don’t know enough about you to know whether you would be someone with a high chance of getting into a reach school.

  245. Hi Ms. Levine,

    I just got my Dec LSAT score and I got a 152. I’m a URM, my ugpa is 2.73 and hope to attend the PT evening program at Southwestern Law. What are your thoughts on SW Law and would you recommend any other schools based on these numbers? Email replies are OK. Thanks a ton.

    John

  246. Peter Thompson on said:

    Hello,

    I was wandering if you may give some word of advice…I studied rigorously for the LSAT for about 6 months. My diagnostic test score was a 141; and after a period of studying between roughly June till the Dec test, I managed to score consistently between the 155-163 range; then test day… To my utter dismay, my Dec LSAT score was 143 – words cannot begin to describe how defeated I felt with this lurid score… In all honesty, throughout the test, I felt EXTREME anxiety ( to put it mildly); I’m pretty sure that I had the classic symptoms of a panic attack throughout the whole duration of the test.

    So my question is: should I give up on law school? In all honesty, I did not feel too nervous before the test; when the test started, things went haywire…

    I’m still in a stupefied state after this test result – what would you recommend I should do in my predicament? Should I give the LSAT a break for about a year, learn to deal with test anxiety and then try again? What’s most disheartening is that according to LSAC, taking the test a second time only increases one’s score my a few measly points…But with the dramatic drop I experienced with this first LSAT, I’m seriously worried that I don’t have what it takes to deal with the stress with an exam of this nature.

    Please help!

    Peter

    • Peter, don’t give up but do get some treatment/learn some coping mechanisms for the testing anxiety. There are exceptions to every rule – I see big increases in second tests all the time, especially where practice scores are higher and in a situation like yours. Check out this site - Test Prep NY – they specialize in test anxiety issues for LSAT.

  247. Rich W. on said:

    I took the LSAT in December and scored pretty abysmally (143). The problem I had was with the timing. I could never find a way to get through all the work in the allotted time. Each section I had at least 5-10 questions that I had to do a quick fill-in on. I am obviously putting off applying to ANY law school until I take a prep course and retake later this year for the 2013 term. My question is will a prep course help with timing? And if so, could I realistically jump 20 to 25 points by finishing each section in a timely manner?

    • Rich, a prep course will help with timing but you absolutely must take at least 10 times practice tests before your next try. You may not be able to jump 25 points, but at least you will be reaching your aptitude on the test so you will know what schools will be available to you.

  248. Hello Ms. Levine,

    I recently took the December LSAT and got a 143. I’m applying to Duquesne Law and they feel that a 150 is needed to be competitive for admissions. With strong personal statements and potentially a 145-147, would you say that i may have a realistic shot of getting in? Also, I prepared for the test by doing several practice tests and studying primarily the strategies of the games, and then mainly analyzing the types of arguments in those sections. What pointers do you have as far as a study approach?

  249. Hi Ann!

    I wrote to you back in March & you gave me some great advice! I am a 23 year old Jamaican-American female. I finished my undergrad with a 3.3 in Legal Studies from St. Johns. I mistakenly took the LSAT while studying abroad and then again after coming back to America with only about a month to prepare. Needless to say I didn’t study properly and received a 142 both times. I told you I was considering a private tutor, but instead I took an LSAT class and received a 149 on the Dec exam. I’m happy about the increase, wish it was higher, however my best practice exam was only a 150.

    Anyways, I was just wondering if you think I should discuss my score increase in my personal statement even though I’m not that pleased with it? Since graduating I have also started a non-profit for child education and I figured it would look better to discuss my leadership in that instead.

    A few schools I’m looking at now are Stetson, USF, UHawaii, Florida International, U of the Pacific McGeorge…do you think these are still reaches?

    Again I appreciate the honesty, thanks for your help!

  250. Also,
    1) I would absolutely accept entering as a PT student if it increases my chances…do you think it will?

    2) I definitely want to get another rec letter from my current employer and possibly another from my business partner, but do you think it would be okay to use the rec letters from my professors who wrote them about a year ago?

  251. Thomas on said:

    Dear Ms. Levine,

    I am a 24 year-old graduate of Texas A&M University. I have been out of college for the past year and half. I am in the process of applying to law school. I earned a 3.53 GPA cumulative (LSAC reported), one major, two minors, and two certificates, and received a 147 on the LSAT. I’m so disappointed in myself. I studied for the past two months with a professional company and still earned a dismal score. I would rather not take the LSAT again as it was the most horrible experience.

    A lot of people have already asked and I’ve read all their responses, but I need to ask for myself. Will I be able to get into a school like Gonzaga, Syracuse, or U Pitt? What schools do you honestly think will accept me? I want to mention, I have a very strong resume, personal statement, and excellent letter of recommendations.

    Secondly, I have already sent in all my applications because of rolling admissions. I wanted to get my apps in as early as possible. Therefore, should I email the admissions teams of the schools and build some sort of rapport?

    Thank you for your time and consideration.

    • Thomas, I’ll answer the question that hasn’t been asked – should you build rapport with admission officers. If you can visit schools, I highly recommend doing so. Touring schools, making connections there, being more than an application file is important. but this won’t bring you from being a presumptive deny candidate into the admit pile – your numbers also have to get you in the door.

  252. Ann,

    I had taken the LSAT Feb 2011 and received a 144, I retested in Oct 2011 and received a 149 and Dec. 2011 I cancelled. I am eligible for Feb2013. I was accepted to Touro Law with 5k scholarship, deferred at Pace (IDK if that is bad or not), rejected at Hofstra and waiting on NYLS+ CUNY Queens.

    I am strongly thinking about studying for a year with power score bibles and having a private tutor and retesting Feb 2013 to try and get into Fordham or a T-3 with scholarship. The problem is I can only take Feb 13. and that is so late in the cycle.

    I want to go to law school so bad right now but I feel I can do much better on the LSAT. At the time when I was studying I was taking 8 classes in undergrad, working FT as a paralegal and then I was rear ended by a drunk driver and injured. Now, I just have a FT job and my injuries have healed…I feel like paying sticker at a T-3 or T-4 school is financial suicide…but I really want to be in law school..I am so torn.
    I test at a 155-159 but test day anxiety eats me alive…I know I can do it but I am 25 and if the Feb2013 is too late in the cycle, I would be waiting 2 cycles..HELP PLEASE   :)

    -John

  253. Brianna on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I too have questions regarding applications. I had planned on applying for this fall and wrote a 149 on my LSAT (first time taking). I thought I had prepared well enough for at least a high 150s score but substantially underestimated the test even with the help of a prep course. I took 4 or 5 practice tests and scored a 155 every time. My LSAC reported GPA is 3.35 (dual major Poli Sci and English – Linguistics) , I have excellent softs, a solid resume, great LOR… I’m aiming for a school like Loyola (LA) or USD. I am about to complete a paralegal certificate and currently have a 4.0 in that. I have never been a great standardized test taker… but I’m wondering if, with more prep and time, should I retake the LSAT in June and hope to be at that high 150s/low 160s level, or should I apply now to all of the CA schools with the Loyola, USD, and possibly UCI as reaches?

  254. Cameron on said:

    I took the LSAT for the first time in December and made a 148. I am taking it again in February and hope to raise my score three or four points. However, worse case scenario, will I be able to get into any Texas law schools with a 148 LSAT and 3.6 GPA?

    Thank you so much!

  255. Rebecca on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I am an undergraduate student interested in applying to law school. I currently have a 3.75 GPA and a 145 LSAT score. However, I have a learning disability that has crippled my ability to take exams within the given amount of time. I applied to get extra time on the LSAT exam and I received 18 mins extra. But, I STILL could not finish the exam within the time limit due to my slow ability to process information and my inability to read at a fast pass. My disability has put me at a great disadvantage while taking this exam. I did everything within my power to prepare for the exam from taking a prep class to hiring a tutor. The bottom line is, all the money in the world could not buy me the ability to complete this exam to the best of my abilities in a limited amount of time. This, I feel, is something that cannot be corrected. No matter how many times I take the exam I will still be disabled and I will still be at a disadvantage.

    I have overcome many challenges in my college career from studying abroad in Japan for 5 months to be an important board member of three clubs. I have worked harder than anyone I know trying to juggle numerous responsibilities while suffering with a disability. Yet, I have achieved a great deal. I do not believe that the LSAT score is in any was a reflection of my intelligence nor can it determine whether or not I will succeed in Law school. I understand very well that I would have done much better if I had not been given a time restriction that did not assist my disability. I am writing to you for some sense of hope. I want to know if law schools take into consideration someone who has a disability with nearly a 3.8 average, and the challenge of living in a foreign country with little English citizens while received NO learning disability services. I want to know if they believe I’m capable of being successful in law school. I have to struggle every day, but I have NEVER let that stop me from accomplishing my dreams and being academically successful. Sadly, I can only do what is within reasonable limits when I am not given the proper assistance for my learning disability. So I wondering if I am going to be laughed at by the admissions counsel for all the tireless hard work, commitment, and dedication I’ve put into geting this far or is it possible that they would understand such limitations and see the challenges I’ve overcome with my disability and understand that I would work twice as hard to do whatever took to do well in laws school?

    • Rebecca,
      I have SEVERAL clients this year with 3.8-4.0 GPAs and high 140s/low 150s due to disabilities and they are getting into reach schools where the 25th percentile LSATs are in the high 150s. Let that be your encouragement!!! You will need to write an addendum explaining the issue with the LSAT. No one will laugh at you.

  256. Bobby J on said:

    Ann,

    Graduated 3 years ago from Pitt with a 3.2 GPA, but was a non-traditional student (only 2 years at Pitt following a 4 year break while on active duty) due to being in the military. Since graduating with a degree in Poli/sci and history I have gone on to become an officer and a helicopter pilot. I believe I have a very good personal statement, resume and great LORs from previous commanders and legal professionals. I’m 30, still serving and stressing about the LSAT in February since it’s my last ditch for 2012. I scored a 146 on my Kaplan diagnostic and moved up to a 151 on my last practice. I have two weeks to go and the opportunity to take several more tests in my Kaplan course. I’m applying to go full time at Pitt, Duquesne, Widener, Penn State or Drexel. I’m not sure what advice or encouragement I’m looking for! Maybe I just needed to vent “out loud” to sleep a little easier tonight. I just hope I stand on more than just my GPA and potential test scores. Thank you!

  257. Jeff L on said:

    Hi Ann,

    First I wanted to thank you for using this blog to help so many people. I am a non-traditional student about to finish up my sophomore year. I am 40 years old and starting a new career after retiring when I was 38 due to being diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. My cumulative gpa is a 3.78 and I haven’t taken the LSAT yet, so I can study as much as possible. I know that part is alright, but here’s my problem. When I went to the same university back in 1990 I didn’t withdrawal from my classes properly and I finished that semester with a 0.5 gpa. I have used the D/F repeat rule to retake those classes and get my gpa to where it is today. However, it is my understanding that law schools still count ALL the grades on your transcript, which would drop my gpa considerably. First of all, is this true? Also, do you think it will destroy my chances at a top tier law school even if I do really well on my LSAT?

    Thank you for any help you can give me, this is worrying me to death!

    • Jeff L, Yes, it’s true. But don’t worry about it. You have a big gap in the last 20 years where you showed what you are capable of. This will not be what holds you back.

  258. Hi Ms Levine,
    I’ve started applying to schools recently and I graduated from a great college with a 2.4 and took the lsat for the first time and received a 151 and I’m planning on retaking it in February. I know you don’t respond when it comes to advice about specific schools, but is it possible for me to email the schools I would like to attend to you and have you look them over and let me know if I have a chance at getting in? one of them is Cardoza. Thanks!

    S

  259. Dear Ms. Ann Levine,

    Thank you for your writing your blog. I was wondering if you could help me: LSAT scores are 147 and 145. I graduated from SUNY Binghamton with a 3.6-something GPA, (I don’t remember it exactly because I don’t have ready access to the transcript) double majored in History and Medieval Studies. minored in French, cum laude. I graduated from UF with a 3.87, with an M.A. in History with thesis. Do I have any chance at getting into a school whose median is 150 and 2.9?

  260. Marilyn on said:

    Hi Ann,

    My question is regarding GPA. I am a Canadian applying to American law schools. It is my understanding that the GPAs in the US are often inflated and that this rarely happens in Canada. For example a GPA over 4.0 is impossible and unheard of. University of Chicago posted that last year’s class had a range up to 4.10.

    A school suggested that I add an addendum to my application about the difference in the grading system between the two countries. Do you know if this is in fact true and how I can tactfully explain that my GPA would be higher if I studied in the US?

    Also, are there any other disadvantages in regards to acceptance I face as a Canadian applying in the US?

  261. Hi,
    I am going to graduate this year from a Canadian University and have a GPA of 3.47 and an LSAT of 156. What are my chances of getting into schools like Loyola Marymount (in LA), Santa Clara, and Pepperdine?
    Thanks!

  262. Michelle on said:

    Hi,

    I am going to graduate from a small school with a gpa of 3.2 in Mathematics. I took the lsat twice and scored a 141 and then a 153. I am involved in school activities and the community. I am not sure if this is a factor, but I have work many hours during the school year. I was wondering what are my chances or what school would accept me in the New York area?
    Thanks!

  263. Hi,

    I am a Canadian and so far all the schools that I have applied for are Canadian schools. This entire process I feel has been nothing short of challenges starting from the moment I began applying to law schools in anticipation that I would be writing in December. The December date was even much later than I would have wanted. However, somehow I didnt realize the payment wasn’t received and 2 prep courses and hundreds of dollars later realized my prospects for admission were cut in half and February was my last chance.

    I wrote the LSAT today and I feel the pressure of this entire experience and the fact that I was running out of time on the first section which hasn’t been an issue in these past few months of practice unfortunately threw me off course and despite efforts to remain engaged and relax I wasn’t able to regain momentum. To add, the only section I felt confident about was the test section.

    Aside from this, I have experienced academic success and my GPA has been 4.0 for consecutive semesters. I am actively involved in my community and I have tried to encompass all of this and more, in addition to emphasizing my maturity, interest in law as well how I plan to contribute to diversity in every personal statement submitted thus far.

    I am aware of the realities and importance placed on a competitive LSAT score its just overwhelming and frustrating to know the day where it counted I scored lower and I’m anticipating around the (145, god forbid lower) mark than any practice test or test simulation taken over these past months.

    I don’t know what your take is on Canadian law schools but if you are familiar with the Canadian admission process I welcome your thoughts. More specifically if you even have a ball park estimate based on your experience the chances for conditional acceptance or chances of being admitted after being placed on a waitlist? I couldn’t even begin to make an educated guess as to how many people are typically waitlisted per year so uncertainty of all this is unnerving.

    I suppose my second question relates to how I can pick up the pieces of this mess lol which has sparked consideration in the direction of applying to US schools, however I do not want to apply to schools where the admission standard is purposely lowered to fill seats and limit myself to other options that I feel may be a more accurate reflection of my capabilities, drive and motivation in finding success that is both personally enriching and vital in allowing me to discover what I can contribute to the greater legal community because of a last minute panic attempt to avoid taking a year off. I am unfamiliar with the US process but it certainly has highlighted the difference in culture in terms of academic prestige and I certainly do not want to fall victim to ignorance. Should I take my chances and apply to some US schools to meet some of the upcoming deadlines? If so, any recommendations? Or, should I accept my losses in the event I am not offered acceptance and sadly wait until next year before another LSAT score will be considered?

    I apologize as this seems a bit more of an emotional rant than reasoned concern but it is the only academic area I can truly say that I am passionate about and because I’ve put a lot of consideration and heart into this decision.

    I appreciate your time

  264. Hi Ms. Levine,

    I just submitted my applications for law school as a part-time student, but I must admit, I have doubts that I will get accepted. I currently have a 3.04 GPA and scored a 136 and 138 on the LSATs. What are my chances in getting into law school? I have worked fulltime throughout my time as a undergraduate student at an oil and gas company. I also have done plenty of volunteer work and participated in school organizations. Is there anything I can do to improve my chances.

    Thank you so very much!

    M

    • M, You are going to have to address the LSAT issue if you want to get into law school. When you hear back from the schools you applied to, you will need to decide whether it is possible for you to raise your LSAT score.

  265. Hello Ann:

    I have graduate from from a private school back in 2000. I wasnt sure about law school so I went into a paralegal school and shortly after graduation decided that law school will be my next step, but I wanted to gain some experience and got a job as an in-house paralegal. I didnt start studying for LSAT until 2003. I studied on my own for a month or so and took an LSAT in Feb of 2004. I scored 144. I didnt want to wait and retake it so I applied to few of the NYC schools (my home state) and just in case applied to Cooley as I was told its an easy school to get into. I was thinking I would transfer back home after a year. Unfortunately, my mother was diagnosed with terminal illness and that affected my study. My mother passed away the day before of my last final and school didnt want to give me a chance to retake the exam. I tried to appeal but was told I can reapply in 2 years. I went back to NY. I have been working as a sr. paralegal/contracts negotiator ever since. In Feb of 2009 I took LSAT again because I really want to become an Esq. Because of the nature of my work and the hours I couldn’t really dedicated as much time. It was funny that 5 years later my score came back at 144 again. Now being older and having a secured employment I dont want to go out of state nor do I think I can score higher on the LSAT. With my work experience and my GPA of 3.6 from undergraduate would you think I have a shot at being accepted into a part time program? Thank you in advance.

    • Leeza,
      I think it’s going to be tough because you didn’t make it at Cooley, but I think you need to re-attack the LSAT and dedicate some time to it. I understand the demands on your time, but there are some great self-study online programs that you can do on your own schedule, like ManhattanLSATPrep so I think you need to put your best foot forward and show what you can do.

  266. Ann,

    I have taken the LSAT 3 times and scored a 139, 143, and 146. I have a cum GPA of 2.75. I’ve applied to Roger WIlliams, New England Law (part time program), and Suffolk Law (part time program). I was wait listed at Roger Williams when I applied last year. How are my chances this time around to get into any of those 3 schools? And should I consider taking the LSAT again in June? I will be much more prepared, all my recent practice exams scored between 155-160. Thank you.

    • George,
      You have pending applications so you’re pulling the cart before the horse a little bit. However, if you know you’d be in a good position to score in the mid to high 150s then I think you must wait and take the LSAT in June and apply early in the following cycle with a higher LSAT score. To do otherwise would be short sighted.

  267. zakiyyah on said:

    Hi Ann,

    Are you able to recommend lsat prep courses? I am considering two which both cost in $1000.00, I tried an online course which didnt work well for me being that i didnt have someone i could ask questions as needed…. so are you able to recommend a good classroom setting course?

  268. Lisa Wong on said:

    Hello,

    I was waitlisted for a school in California. Is there anything I can do to improve my chances of getting accepted? Additionally, what are your thoughts on North Carolina Central Law School and Charleston? I know they are not top schools, but do you think I have a good chance of transferring if I do well my first year? Thank you in advance!

  269. I took the LSAT three times: 1st time- 140, 2nd time- 142 and 3rd time 140 and I had a 3.0 GPA from a good undergrad university. I got a 96 on the MPRE and I’m about to graduate from a low tier ABA- approved school. That’s all I gotta say, keep your heads up, folks.

  270. Hi Ann,

    Can you let me know if it is worth attending Touro Law School? It seems nice…I was already accepted 151 LSAT 3.2 GPA. I live in NY…I can’t help hear all this negative talk from T1 T2 grads about how bad T3/T4 schools are and what a waste of money..I am so stressed.

    Thanks,
    Mark Tugh

      • Mark, you should also – of course – talk to Touro grads and students rather than just T1, T2 people who may not be familiar with the school (and whose discontent with lower ranked schools definitely has the additional side effect of boosting their own opportunities).

  271. Dear Ann,

    I know it is hard to know someone without seeing them face to face, so I will try to best describe who I am and hope this gives you a chance to guide me in the legal field.

    I started going to a Jr College in summer of 1995 but it took me until 2006 to transfer to a Cal State L.A. due to switching my major 5-6 times. From Business Amin to Political Science/Law to Art to Animation and Film. I graduated from Cal State L.A. in summer of 2009 with a BA in Film in 2.5 yrs. My cum from both schools comes out to a 2.86 GPA. I had a difficult time finding a career in film and went back to my Junior College in getting a fitness certificate. I got all A’s and one B and currently taking an Internship in fitness. However, I still have the ambition to go into law and run for a political office but I do not know how to go about in preparing to take an LSAT exam. I would like to score 180(if that is possible) but the target range I like is between 170-180. I like to know as well which law school will be strong in these fields: Corporate Law, Contract Law, Intellectual Property Law and Constitutional Law.

    Thanks, KD

    p.s. I took the KAPLAN LSAT CD test a decade ago that excludes the essay part and scored 129 without any practice in law before.

  272. Mark on said:

    Thanks Ann! I will be visiting the school tomorrow and meeting with an advisor. I want to be in criminal law, start out as an ADA then maybe criminal defense. The court is in the schools backyard and the DA of Nassau County went to Touro. I just worry about how others perceive the school too.

    I will grab your new book! :)

    Thanks!
    Mark

  273. Natalie on said:

    Dear Ann,
    I’ve taken the LSAT twice….got a 138 on the first one and only improved by 1 point on my second time around this February. I am beyond discouraged and have been my own bully since receiving the score. Should I even attempt to take it again? Or would I just be fooling myself?

    Jen’s comment shined a bit of a light though.

  274. Mary on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I just took the February LSAT with the intention of applying to Law school in the fall of 2012. My LSAT score is 136. Do you advice that I still apply for the fall semester. I am trying to apply for the evening/part time division. Please respond to my email.

  275. christine on said:

    The first time I took the LSAT in December 2011 I got a 141. The week before I took it I had a skin cancer scare. I just took it again for February 2012 and 2 weeks before the LSAT my father tried to commit suicide. I got a 148. I have a 4.0 gpa and I have an excellent resume. I was an intern for British Parliament and I worked at two different law firms as an intern. If I give the law schools an explanation of the events that affected my scores do you think I have a chance of getting into a top 100 law school? I’d like New York Law School, NYU, Brooklyn, etc…

  276. christine on said:

    The first time I took the LSAT in December 2011 I got a 141. The week before I took it I had a skin cancer scare. I just took it again for February 2012 and 2 weeks before the LSAT my father tried to commit suicide. I got a 148. I have a 4.0 gpa and I have an excellent resume. I was an intern for British Parliament and I worked at two different law firms as an intern. If I give the law schools an explanation of the events that affected my scores do you think I have a chance of getting into a top 100 law school? I’d like New York Law School, NYU, Brooklyn, etc…

    • Christine,
      You can certainly try but they will wonder how you will cope in law school with stress so you will need to show that these events did not impact your performance in other parts of your life.

  277. Hi Ann,

    I took the February LSAT and scored a 153. While it isn’t terrible, I’m frustrated because I took a prep course and I was scoring in the high 50’s/low 160’s on my practice tests. My GPA is a 3.18, but it is from Cornell University (do admissions boards pay attention to the undergraduate institution you come from versus only the GPA as a number?) What would you suggest in terms of retaking the LSAT? Do you think I could really raise my score by June or should I wait until October? (I am applying for Fall 2013 entry). I am hoping to get into Tier 2, but my dream school is UCLA (I know it’s a stretch, but I’m not giving up!)Thanks for your help!

    • CV, the undergraduate school absolutely matters – yes. If you were scoring that high on times practice tests, then you should absolutely retake the test in June while it is still fresh.

  278. Jillian on said:

    Hello Ann,

    I received my LSAT score today (136). On the day I took the test I had a virus and a high fever. I should not have gone, but I wanted to see what I could do. I am a practicing psychologist and professor looking to make a career change focusing on education law. May graduate GPA for all three of my graduate degrees range from 3.7-3.8. I want to start the part-time program in the fall, but I know this score is WAY to low. I am going to take the LSAT in June. What would you suggest? Do you think that I need a tutor? If so, how do I find a tutor. I work full time and I am a mother of a 4 month old.

    Thanks

  279. Daniel on said:

    Dear Ann,
    I’ve read through your website extensively and you do some pretty noble work I take my hat off to you. I just got my 2012 February LSAT score back today and I received a 153. In October I received a 146. Do I provide an addendum to explain or let the higher score speak for itself. Also I am applying to Hofstra (part time), St. Johns (part time), New York Law, Touro, Brooklyn (part time), CITY U of NY, and Syracuse. I am 23 and Iopened my own successful business at age 19 during my undergraduate career. My overall GPA is a 2.53 but the last 2 years my GPA is a 3.0. My father was diagnosed with lung cancer and being the oldest of three siblings I was responsible to take care of his business interests along with my own to take care of my family. I have 3 letters of recommendations from my professors. I would be interested in any advice you can give me. Also I notice your prices and would like to know if you can help me with my situation.
    Thank you for your consideration.

    • Daniel, I think we spoke on the phone so I won’t answer these questions here. Let me know if you have additional questions. The part about your family is especially persuasive and you did not mention that on the phone.

  280. Natalie on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I would really like your opinion on my problem mentioned above. I got a 138 my first time around and only improved by one point in the February test. Should I even attempt to continue applying or would I just be fooling myself. Would I still have a chance? I’m trying to get admission into Rutgers University School of Law. I’ve read the success stories on your website and it gives me a bit of hope but I’m still doubtful. Please respond to my email. I could really use your insight.

  281. CuriousMom on said:

    Have a question, my daughter just received her LSAT score from February it is a 167. GPA is 3.8 (and hopefully going up), Junior at Barnard College. Are these stats enough for Columbia or NYU — it seems that her LSAT score is too low for these schools. She only wants to go to Law school if it is a top tier school. Please insight would be helpful.

    • CuriousMom,
      Your daughter is right on the edge for NYU and Columbia. Does she feel it’s likely for her to raise her score a few points, or is this on the high end of what she was expecting?

  282. Becky on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I graduated from the University of Massachusetts Amherst (UMASS) last year and recently took the February LSAT for the first time and scored a 146. My UGPA is a 2.77. I failed most of my classes my second year with 2 F’s and the rest C’s. Since then I had an upward trend in grades and made the deans list. I worked part time during school, I tutored elementary students, I was choreographer and treasurer for UMASS Step team for 3 years, I’m a volunteer with AMACC autism program as well as Girls Inc. I have a lot of other community service and extracurricular activities under my belt. I also interned for Governor Deval Patrick within the Governor’s Council in Boston. I am also an African American female if that helps. I know it’s late in the cycle and my LSAT and GPA is pretty low, however, do you think I have a chance of getting into a tier 3 or 4 school for the fall 2012 semester such as St. Thomas University in Miami, South Texas College, or Texas Southern University. Or should I retake the LSAT in June?

    Thanks,
    Becky

    • Becky, you may still have a chance at those schools. It is probably worth trying but if you feel you could prepare better and increase your score on the LSAT, I’d rather see you put your efforts in that direction.

  283. CuriousMom on said:

    Ann, The highest she got on practice test was 169.. so, like it is is in the range of what she was getting. She was hoping for a 170.. but that did not happen. So not sure if she should still try there or just not waste our $$.

  284. Curious Mom,
    It sounds like she did very well and she should only retake it if she really wants to and believes she would improve by 2 or more points. She does not have to decide today. Looking realistically at the schools she hopes to attend and where she would be happy attending is really the next step. She did very, very well on the LSAT and that shouldn’t be overlooked.
    Ann

  285. John on said:

    Hello,

    I have an extremely low UGPA (2.07). I am finishing up a masters in May (got in on ‘admission by exception’) and if everything goes right I will have a 3.84 average.

    I just got a 156 on the February 2012 LSAT. I was just wondering about the weight of a UGPA and if a graduate GPA had any real effect on admissions.

    Thanks!

    • John, your graduate GPA is a subjective factor in admissions. You’ll need to explain your undergraduate performance and show why your graduate performance is a better indicator of your academic abilities. You should also get letters of rec from faculty in your masters program to boost this.

  286. Mike on said:

    Hello Ms. Levine,

    I just received my score from the February 2012 LSAT (144) and had a similar score my first time around in October 2011. I have an undergraduate GPA of 3.28 from Penn State University. I have taken a prep course and given it my all but unfortunately I was not able to master the exam. I am open to applying to many schools throughout the country so geography is not much of a problem. With these scores of 144 and 3.28 GPA do you think I have an opportunity for acceptance at any of the ABA accredited law schools?

    Thank you in advance,
    Mike

  287. Alisha on said:

    Hi Ann

    I just got my lsat score, and I scored a 154. I was expecting something in the 150s, but was hoping for a higher score since my last 5 practice tests I was scoring 161s. Do you think I should retake? And if I don’t retake what are my chances at a good law school in the East Coast like Boston U? I also have a cumulative gpa of 2.8 which I received in 2010 – though per semester I’ve been getting gpas of 3.2, 3.4, 3.8 etc. Its just two semesters that i messed up and got a low gpa that ruined my cumulative. I’ve also got a lot of work experience and social work.

    • Alisha,
      If you were consistently scoring in the low 160s on recent, timed practice tests then you should try to retake – and you have time, and a low GPA to make up for. I think it’s worth trying. If, when you continue to study, your scores slide then you can always decide not to retake.

  288. Mark on said:

    Ann,

    I went to Touro to visit and spoke to a career counselor. It seems like a nice school and their bar passage rate was higher than CUNY Queens, Pace, NYLS, Hofstra and St.Johns. They said something interesting, “if you get into NYU, Columbia, Cornell or Fordham, our dean will drive you there but otherwise, there isn’t much different between the T3 and T4 and you can get a great education here”.

    They are aware of their position in the ranking and seem to go out of their way to try and help students gain employment. The close proximity to the courts seems nice for me in trying to practice criminal law. I think I am going to attend. Thank you for everything!

    -Mark

  289. CuriousMom on said:

    Ann, would it be possible for us to have a consultation with you? It might help us figure out what are realistic choices. From the 25th percentile thing, maybe Upenn, Cornell, Berkeley and UT Austin are better fits. Although being at Columbia now, she really wants to go there :).

  290. Hi…I took my FEB lsat and scored a 140..my GPA is 3.5..im hoping to get into a tier 4 like NC CENTRAL UNIV,, UNIV OF DC, ETC…of course I will retake the LSAT in dec if i cant get in, but as I stand now, what my chances?

  291. simona on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I have very low LSAT scores(140) and a GPA as well. I have had to deal with many difficult personal issues during college which contributed to my low GPA. I really desire to go to law school, and I have applied to programs such as CLEO and schools that have conditional acceptance. I know everything else besides the numbers would have an admissions officer want to accept me.(My personal statement letters of rec. and diversity statement are all excellent). How can I maximize my chances of getting into law school or a conditional program with my current LSAT score since I have reached the maximum amount of times I can take the test? I’ve always heard of students that law school admissions officers decide to take a chance on. How can I get them to take a chance on me. I think my personal life speaks to the fact that I have persevered in light of the circumstances I have faced. All i really desire is to get my foot in the door so that I may prove myself despite my scores.

    • Simona, If your essays and letters are all “excellent” as you claim, and law schools still haven’t taken a chance on you, then a conditional program may be your only option to prove you can make it in law school.

  292. I have already submitted my application for the Fall 2012 entering class. My application status is in review, but I had a question regarding the June 2012 LSAT. My first attempt at the LSAT was in February 2012. My score was horrible (143)! I know that the score will affect my acceptance. My UGPA 3.94 and Grad GPA 3.2. Would you advise for me to sign up now for the June 2012 LSAT or to wait for denial and then sign up for the test? Also, if I make a higher score on the June 2012 LSAT, would I reapply in hopes of being accepted for the Fall 2013 entering class or can I still have a chance at the 2012 entering class? I have received an acceptance letter from another college, but would rather wait out to know my chances with a particular university (University of TN).

    Thanks for any help/advice you can provide.

    • Casey, if you don’t get in this time around, take the October LSAT so you have more time to prepare. It’s fine to reapply to schools next year with a higher LSAT score.

  293. Anonymous on said:

    Dear Anne,

    I recently submitted my application to law schools in California. I have a 3.26 GPA and scored a low 145 on my LSAT. I’ve never been a good standardized test taker. But I have strong letters of recommendations, and a solid resume. I’ve worked since I was 17 (part-time) while maintaining a heavy school schedule. I was an active leader in 3 organizations on my campus in CSUF and I even started my own business when I was still finishing my major at the University. I’ve also worked full-time immediately after graduating.

    Based off the information above (which is also in my personal statement), do you think this would give me a chance with schools like Thomas Jefferson, Whittier, Cal Western, or Western (Fullerton)?

    Obviously, if I get rejection letters from all 4 this round, I’m going to study again for the LSAT and get a private tutor to try and help me increase at least 5 points.

    Thanks.

  294. Hi Ann – I wanted to get your opinion on the possibility of acceptance to law school. I graduated from Georgia Tech in 09 with a GPA of 2.39. I started off slow my first couple of semesters as i was on the football team and really had to work hard to get my gpa up. I took the LSAT only once in 2010 and scored a 149. I have been working full time since Jan of 2010. Would I be able to get into a tier 2 or 3 with these scores? Thanks for your help!

  295. Steve on said:

    Hello,

    I would like to get your opinion regarding Suffolk University Law School. I’m lucky I got in considering that English is not my native language, and having moved to the States only in 2002.My LSAT was really low and there was no need to retake it as during my preparation I kept scoring low. I read a lot of depressing articles online as of how bad it is to go a Third and Four tier law school. I am planning on transferring after my first year, as I got an offer of transfer from one highly ranked school, but I would like to know my chances of transfer should I really do well the first year for I would like to attend William and Mary or similarly ranked schools. I’m looking forward to reading from you. Merci!

  296. Hi Ann,

    I graduated from UCLA in 2010 with a degree in Biochemistry from UCLA. My cum gpa is 2.6. I took the LSAT in 2010 and scored a 161. Please let me know what you would think I would need to score on the LSAT if I take it one more time, in order to get into a good law school. Also, would the two scored get averaged? Any advice you can give would really help me.
    Thanks so much!

    • Elise, scores are not averaged by most schools, and even schools that say they average LSAT scores are inclined to weigh the highest score more heavily since that’s the score they report to the ABA/rankings. You can get an idea of schools by playing around with my Law School Comparison tool.It’s not perfect but it’s a good place to start.

  297. John on said:

    Ann,

    I am attending New York Law School in the fall. I was wondering if you have heard of people successfully transferring to a T1 after their first year. I know the transfer process is by no means easy and not likely. I used your services for my applications (specifically Jocelyn) and was accepted to NYLS with a 149 3.04 GPA. You have helped me so much so far, just curious what your thought on NYLS were.

    John

  298. John on said:

    Ann,

    I am attending New York Law School in the fall. I was wondering if you have heard of people successfully transferring to a T1 after their first year. I know the transfer process is by no means easy and not likely. I used your services for my applications (specifically Jocelyn) and was accepted to NYLS with a 149 3.04 GPA. You have helped me so much so far, just curious what your thoughts on NYLS were.

    John

    • Hi John,
      If you are in the top 10% of your class at NYLS, it’s not out of the question. But it’s going to be hard to predict your ability to do that since you are coming in as an underdog on the numbers. Do the best you can to work on your grades, make connections with professors and lawyers, etc. You may be interested in reading The Law School Decision Game for insights on how to build your career.

  299. Roseanne on said:

    Hi Ann,

    Hope all is well.

    I have a LSAT score of 155 with an undergraduate GPA of 3.6 and graduate GPA of 3.3.

    Am I competitive enough to be accepted by schools that are lower tier 1 (top 50) or upper tier 2 (top 100)?

    What would be a suggested score improvement for me to achieve on my next LSAT in order to get in a law school that is around the national 50-ish range?

    Please let me know.

    Thanks,
    Roseanne

  300. Hi Ann,

    I’m about to embark on my second year of Teach for America. I finished my undergraduate career at The Ohio State University with a 3.74 and a major gpa of 3.8. However, my LSAT was a 153. I have a strong resume and a fair share of life experience (first generation, family of five making less than $20,000 yearly, Appalachian, multi-racial).

    I would still like to shoot for a top 50 tier one school, ideally Ohio State. I have limited finances so I need to be weary of where I apply. Which schools would you recommend for me? Should I bother trying to apply for Ohio State?

    • Adam, your life experiences are fabulous, you have a great GPA. You need to apply to Ohio State, absolutely!!! I can’t make school recommendations on the blog format because I need to know a lot more about you to do that, but you should be applying to reach schools.

  301. Adam on said:

    Hello again Ann,

    Is there any way to correspond with you further through e-mail? I’d be willing to add in any other necessary details if it would help you come up with a list of a few schools you might recommend I apply to.

  302. Brittney on said:

    Dear Ann,

    I took the LSAT for the first time my senior year of college and received a 147. My UGPA was a 3.95.

    I am signed up for the October LSAT and have been studying everyday in hopes of improving my score.

    Is 147 just not a competitive score. Would I be able to get into University of Miami, FIU, or Nova Southeastern with this score I have right now?

    • Brittney, I suggest you look at the published stats for those schools as a starting point. Obviously, your GPA is fabulous but I don’t know where or what you studied or anything else about you. If you have the potential to improve your score, you should try so that you have as many options as possible.

  303. Jennifer on said:

    I have a solid 3.7 GPA and just got an LSAT score of 151. Does this combination give me a chance at Stetson Law School?

  304. Joanne on said:

    Hi Ann-

    I just received my June 2012 Lsat score. This was my second time taking the LSAT, the first time I scored a 144 -I was a complete wreck- and today I received a 149. My undergrad GPA is 3.9 and is from UCLA. Would I be able to get admitted into Southwestern with this score? At this point I know schools like Layola and Pepperdine, but is there even a chance a slim chance I would get into these schools too?

  305. Tierra Johnson on said:

    Hi Ann, I had a 2.2 undergrad GPA and a 3.8 grad GPA for masters in CJ Admin. I am a army vet. I just took the LSAT and received a 139 with using Kaplan. I’m not a good test taker. Im planning on taking it again after I’m done being mad about my score. Any thoughts?

  306. Stevie on said:

    Hello Ms. Levine,
    My son took two LSAT this year (Feb and June)
    he socred 152 and 158 respectively.
    He wants to apply Loyola in Los Angeles but he is not confident with those two socres. I can’t remember his GPA it is probably around 3.25
    I am considering get a private tutor this time around, would it be harmful to take the LSAT three times in one year?

    • Stevie, As long as your son improves each time, it’s worth taking it again. I know some great tutors in the LA area so please contact me via email or phone for that information.

  307. Alejandra on said:

    Dear Ann,
    I graduated from FIU with a GPA og 3.7 and took the LSAT in june2012 and received a 148. I was thinking of retaking the exam in October to see if I do better but I don’t feel there is enough time. I wanted to apply to law school by November. Is there a way of applying to law school by November 2012 and taking the December 2012 exam? I obviously would not be able to put it on my application but if I take it in December I feel I might have a higher chance of improving my score than if I take it in October. I’m applying to UMiami and FIU. Please help

    • Alejandra, I’m all for applying early, but it’s more important to apply right. Application numbers are down so the rush to apply early isn’t as necessary as it used to be. I’d like to see you take the December LSAT if you need the time to improve your score and submit applications over the winter holidays. My clients who followed this strategy for Fall 2012 admission got great results.